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Indeed, in Japan they drive a knife into the brainstem [2]. Why is Japan so progressive? Their medical products, their audio equipment, their food, I mean...pre
by goldenkey 5y ago
Indeed, in Japan they drive a knife into the brainstem [2]. Why is Japan so progressive? Their medical products, their audio equipment, their food, I mean...pretty much everything I've ever purchased from Japan is on another level of care, consideration, design, and quality.
It's like..they understand something that most of the world doesn't. Japan loves cats and sells products for cats that no other country produces. Even their moving companies have special boxes... I've never seen anything like that in America [1]
[1] https://youtu.be/ynEjnebw8LA https://youtu.be/ynEjnebw8LA
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikejime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikejime
- snypher 5y agoNothing more progressive than driving a knife into a brainstem.
- goldenkey 5y agoThey also ice bath the lobster/ fish first to numb it. I see the sardonic humor though :-)
- alephu5 5y agoWould it be progressive to stop eating animals?
- nefitty 5y agoWhat? Yes. Killing sentient beings is objectively wrong.
- macinjosh 5y agoThe food chain is immoral. Got it.
- uDontKnowMe 5y agoThe food chain is an abstraction that describes the natural world, not a moral agent any more than the water cycle is. Wild animals predate in the wild, yes, but they aren't moral agents. Humans are able to reason about our own actions and more importantly we can live and indeed thrive on a plant-based diet. So since there are ways to get our food other than killing other thinking, feeling, suffering individuals, we aren't forced to do so. We just choose to inflict incomprehensible amounts of suffering on animals not out of necessity but because we like the taste of cow milk slightly more than we like the taste of oat milk, or we love the way their flesh tastes, and would rather eat it than cook a plant-based meal. We inflict billions of lifetimes of misery and torture on creatures with their own desires and will to live, who feel suffering and pain just as much as we do, in service of an utterly unnecessary and trivial benefit, that while we could live incredibly well, even healthier and with less impact on the environment on a plant-based diet, we like the taste of their flesh and excretions too much to choose oat milk and tofu at the grocery store. Yes it is wrong! Future generations will look back at our time as with disbelief that we behave like this.
- c22 5y agoYou're just moving your consumption farther from your leaf of the tree of life--which is totally fine, even most meat-eaters will balk at cannibalism. But what makes you so certain plants are unfeeling and can't experience pain? I observe plants attempting to avoid and heal from damage, so I assume they do have some analogue experiences around feelings of suffering.
- nefitty 5y agoWhether plants feel pain or not doesn't impact our responsibility to reduce the suffering of animals we can naturally better empathize with. Plants lack pain receptors and the nervous systems to process pain signals. Whatever their "experience", it's safe to assume it is so alien to us as to be incomprehensible. In that case, it's very unlikely any of the concepts we use to describe our lived experiences (ie suffering) would apply to a plant whatsoever. The correlate is trying to imagine what photosynthesizing feels like. I can viscerally imagine what a bird feels when its beak is cauterized.
- pphysch 5y agoBut killing non-"sentient" beings is not. IMO it's a vacuous and ridiculous distinction that only distracts us from living sustainably within our environments.
- nefitty 5y agoI'm not sure what your criticism is. There is no way to describe a sentient being without those two words. A sentient? I think it is naive to believe anyone can live a perfectly moral life. The difficulty of the project doesn't mean we should delude ourselves about our choices and actions. I commend anyone who acts. Even reducing meat consumption to only six days a week, or what have you, is praiseworthy. I give myself, and others, no quarter when it comes to ethical living. I don't hesitate to admit that I fall woefully short of sainthood.
- pphysch 5y agoMy criticism is that saying one branch of the tree of life deserves freedom from harm, and the rest don't deserve the same rights, is totally ridiculous.
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- tpmx 5y agoNoone mention the dolphins and the whales...
- goldenkey 5y agoThat too is a travesty. And apparently they have a fringe practice of eating animals alive but as far as I understand it, much of this is only furthered by older folks in Japan. The same thing in Korea is happening - older folks ok with eating dog while younger folks have them as pets. I suppose my initial statement was not entirely factual. Japan, get with it!
- rozab 5y agoCan't tell if this is sarcasm or not but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri
- goldenkey 5y agoI suppose my initial statement was not entirely factual. Japan, get with it!
- f6v 5y agoDon’t some people eat sea creatures alive there?
- goldenkey 5y agoYes, apparently it is not very common but a bunch of Asian countries practice this barbarism. https://uminchuproject.tumblr.com/post/52861612151/ikizukuri-live-sashimi https://uminchuproject.tumblr.com/post/52861612151/ikizukuri... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri :-(