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You’re missing the point. Or perhaps, the messaging from this page on the Internet Archive is missing the point. The Archive saves and serves the content even a

You’re missing the point. Or perhaps, the messaging from this page on the Internet Archive is missing the point. The Archive saves and serves the content even after the deplatforming has occurred, regardless of whether the removal occurred due to a governmental thoughtcrime department or an oligopolistic private company. The fact that a private company (or companies) can do so in the first place with such great impact is an opportunity for disruption. The fact that is has already occurred is an opportunity for libraries like the Internet Archive.

adolph 5y ago
ACLU should be granted copyright to all the badthink so they can DCMA places like TIA. There’s probably a bunch of president tweets on there causing indirection right now.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
> The fact that a private company (or companies) can do so in the first place with such great impact is an opportunity for disruption. The fact that is has already occurred is an opportunity for libraries like the Internet Archive. No, it isn't. What IA stores long-term is relevant to future generations, less so to us now. What matters for us is that you can censor anything on IA, retroactively, by updating robots.txt. IA won't be able to capitalize on this opportunity for disruption until copyright law gets completely overhauled. I don't see this happening soon, as powers that be - both public and private - are all aligned in their interest to make IP protection even stronger.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  Archvial libraries have rights under copyright law.
- a1369209993 5y ago
  > that you can censor anything on IA, retroactively, by updating robots.txt. IA claims to have fixed that, and it's been a couple years since I've caught them respecting robots.txt. If you have examples of them respecting robots.txt more recent than, say, 2018... citation please? This was a serious problem in the past, but I had hoped (and believed) it was no longer a thing. (I'm deliberately avoiding saying "They don't do that anymore.", since it's a low-probability, high-impact event, and I may just not have encountered it, but complying with robots.txt would be a really vile thing for a supposed library to do.)
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    This. Using robots.txt to retroactively block content is no longer effective. IA will unpublish (but not delete) content on request. Email info@archive.org, the process is largely painless.
    - a1369209993 5y ago
      > IA will unpublish (but not delete) content on request. As I said, I have yet to see that happen, and that would be a really vile thing for a supposed library to do.
      - dredmorbius 5y ago
        Regardless of whether or not you personally have witnessed this, it is the Internet Archive's stated content removal policy: Do you collect all the sites on the Web? No, the Archive collects web pages that are publicly available. We do not archive pages that require a password to access, pages that are only accessible when a person types into and sends a form, or pages on secure servers. Pages may not be archived due to robots exclusions and some sites are excluded by direct site owner request. ... What is the Wayback Machine's Copyright Policy? The Internet Archive respects the intellectual property rights and other proprietary rights of others. The Internet Archive may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, remove certain content or disable access to content that appears to infringe the copyright or other intellectual property rights of others. If you believe that your copyright has been violated by material available through the Internet Archive, please provide the Internet Archive Copyright Agent with the following information:... https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004716091-Wayback-Machine-General-Information https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004716091-Wayb...

adolph 5y ago

ACLU should be granted copyright to all the badthink so they can DCMA places like TIA. There’s probably a bunch of president tweets on there causing indirection right now.

TeMPOraL 5y ago

> The fact that a private company (or companies) can do so in the first place with such great impact is an opportunity for disruption. The fact that is has already occurred is an opportunity for libraries like the Internet Archive. No, it isn't. What IA stores long-term is relevant to future generations, less so to us now. What matters for us is that you can censor anything on IA, retroactively, by updating robots.txt. IA won't be able to capitalize on this opportunity for disruption until copyright law gets completely overhauled. I don't see this happening soon, as powers that be - both public and private - are all aligned in their interest to make IP protection even stronger.

alisonkisk 5y ago
Archvial libraries have rights under copyright law.
a1369209993 5y ago
> that you can censor anything on IA, retroactively, by updating robots.txt. IA claims to have fixed that, and it's been a couple years since I've caught them respecting robots.txt. If you have examples of them respecting robots.txt more recent than, say, 2018... citation please? This was a serious problem in the past, but I had hoped (and believed) it was no longer a thing. (I'm deliberately avoiding saying "They don't do that anymore.", since it's a low-probability, high-impact event, and I may just not have encountered it, but complying with robots.txt would be a really vile thing for a supposed library to do.)
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  This. Using robots.txt to retroactively block content is no longer effective. IA will unpublish (but not delete) content on request. Email info@archive.org, the process is largely painless.
  - a1369209993 5y ago
    > IA will unpublish (but not delete) content on request. As I said, I have yet to see that happen, and that would be a really vile thing for a supposed library to do.
    - dredmorbius 5y ago
      Regardless of whether or not you personally have witnessed this, it is the Internet Archive's stated content removal policy: Do you collect all the sites on the Web? No, the Archive collects web pages that are publicly available. We do not archive pages that require a password to access, pages that are only accessible when a person types into and sends a form, or pages on secure servers. Pages may not be archived due to robots exclusions and some sites are excluded by direct site owner request. ... What is the Wayback Machine's Copyright Policy? The Internet Archive respects the intellectual property rights and other proprietary rights of others. The Internet Archive may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, remove certain content or disable access to content that appears to infringe the copyright or other intellectual property rights of others. If you believe that your copyright has been violated by material available through the Internet Archive, please provide the Internet Archive Copyright Agent with the following information:... https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004716091-Wayback-Machine-General-Information https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004716091-Wayb...