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No, the Earth could easily sustain billions more if they had the same carbon footprint as Africans or Vietnamese (or many dozens other countries). Not all huma

No, the Earth could easily sustain billions more if they had the same carbon footprint as Africans or Vietnamese (or many dozens other countries). Not all human beings have an unsustainable way of life so maybe we should stop considering population as being the problem but which part of the population is responsible for the problem. Just like we don't accuse "human population" for murder but those who are actually murdering. I bet all those who blame the population are among the few with the worst environmental footprint...

oblak 5y ago
You're right in the sense that a modern chicken farm supports untold amount of chickens without collapsing. Yes, it's possible, and quite doable, but the chickens have absolutely horrible lives, taste bad, and their eggs are disgusting. Is that what we want as a species? An overpopulated planet? It can always support a bit more if just try harder, right? I sure don't want that for myself. I am unable to honestly judge my own environmental footprint because I lack a ton of information. That said, I don't even have a car and have been living well below my means for quite a while. Don't even consume meat. Do I win anything, since it is a competition?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  UK has one of the highest population destities in the world: "all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface." This is not a chicken farm untill we have 100 billion people, which we never will. We are like illiterate medieval peasants who trow shit on the street and in the river and they wonder why they get the plague. Must be overpopulation.
  - oblak 5y ago
    Nice try. UK is 52. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen... You're right about people being inconsiderate fucks but somehow forget that having a lot of human monkeys in one place sucks ass. Civilized or not, everyone has to eat, drink and shit. Oh, yes

oblak 5y ago

You're right in the sense that a modern chicken farm supports untold amount of chickens without collapsing. Yes, it's possible, and quite doable, but the chickens have absolutely horrible lives, taste bad, and their eggs are disgusting. Is that what we want as a species? An overpopulated planet? It can always support a bit more if just try harder, right? I sure don't want that for myself. I am unable to honestly judge my own environmental footprint because I lack a ton of information. That said, I don't even have a car and have been living well below my means for quite a while. Don't even consume meat. Do I win anything, since it is a competition?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
UK has one of the highest population destities in the world: "all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface." This is not a chicken farm untill we have 100 billion people, which we never will. We are like illiterate medieval peasants who trow shit on the street and in the river and they wonder why they get the plague. Must be overpopulation.
- oblak 5y ago
  Nice try. UK is 52. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen... You're right about people being inconsiderate fucks but somehow forget that having a lot of human monkeys in one place sucks ass. Civilized or not, everyone has to eat, drink and shit. Oh, yes