4 ms·

Just so you know, I read your comment about racism and your choice of a throwaway name ending in 88 as a statement that you are a nazi or nazi-adjacent.

by dsr_ 5y ago

hkthrowaway88 5y ago
Just so you know, I have no interest in or affiliation with any sort of nazism. What does 88 have to do with anything? For the record, I originally made this throwaway to criticize the CCP’s oppression of Hong Kong (hence “hk”). 8 is a lucky number in Chinese. As for throwaways, maybe look at the fact that any questioning of the currently predominant racism leads to accusations of nazism, and see if that explains why people might want to make their objections anonymously.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  Just for your knowledge (I’m Asian too so I had to learn this) 88 is a nazi dog whistle in America. Specifically, h is the eighth letter of the alphabet and 88 -> hh -> heil hitler. I don’t know how common it is among actual nazi circles to use that phrasing, honestly, because I don’t know any nazi communities, but that’s the common online belief.
  - acheron 5y ago
    To be clear, this is nonsense and nobody actually does it. It’s the same kind of bullshit as saying the “ok” symbol is racist or whatever. I don’t know how many people honestly believe it or if they’re all just trolling, but if people do honestly believe it then they are wrong.
  - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
    Just so you know, most of that “nazi dog whistle” stuff (like the ok sign) was fabricated by trolls on 4chan. So maybe think for yourself a little before you go accusing people of things based on Internet hearsay.
    - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
      Wait, how is it possible that you stated you don’t know what the person was talking about and then turn around and tell me the precise origins of the thing? Did you Google it?
      - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
        I never heard of 88, but the ok symbol was definitely a 4chan creation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture So, I’m very skeptical of “secret Nazi dog whistle” nonsense. If something is incorrect, it sufficient to say that it’s incorrect, and explain why. Claiming something is a secret dog whistle for Nazis just means that you don’t have any credible refutation about its correctness.
    - detaro 5y ago
      88 being used by nazis predates 4chan, it's not a recent invention.
      - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
        And 8 being an indication of good fortune predates Nazism.
        detaro 5y ago
        Sure, but utterly irrelevant to the perception of 88 in the west today. Feel free to remain "skeptical" of that, but don't be surprised about people making that association.
      - dsr_ 5y ago
        Indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88 (1970s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88 (1990s) I also advise against using the fylfot or swastika, even though it has centuries of positive associations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika and then came the Nazis, who ruined it permanently.
jccalhoun 5y ago
In addition, what the person is saying is just wrong. Source? Me. I'm a straight white male in the humanities. I can point to at least a dozen straight white people I went to grad school with that teach at various levels of college from community college to R1. I don't think I know a single straight white male that got his phd and doesn't have some job in academia. (it is possible that there are some I went to school with that got their phd and left academia but I have not stayed in contact with them.)
- hkthrowaway88 5y ago
  Community college? Come on, be serious. I mean jobs in which people can have an actual academic career, i.e. be published and have an impact on their discipline.
  - jccalhoun 5y ago
    I wrote, "teach at various levels of college from community college to R1"
    - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
      How many at each? Edit: To be perfectly clear, I mean no disrespect to anyone who teaches at a community college. It is valuable and important work. But I think it’s fair to say that people going into a Phd program, and dedicating 6-10 years of their life to working themselves ragged as the OP describes, are not doing so with the hope that they may one day teach at a community college. So, holding that up and saying “See, they had a perfectly fine outcome from getting a PhD, they got to teach at a community college!” is just disingenuous.
      - jccalhoun 5y ago
        You said "Not mentioned here, but if you want an academic job in the humanities, in the US, don't be white. Universities have adopted explicitly racist hiring policies for the time being."

Just so you know, I read your comment about racism and your choice of a throwaway name ending in 88 as a statement that you are a nazi or nazi-adjacent.

by dsr_ 5y ago

Just so you know, I read your comment about racism and your choice of a throwaway name ending in 88 as a statement that you are a nazi or nazi-adjacent.

hkthrowaway88 5y ago

Just so you know, I have no interest in or affiliation with any sort of nazism. What does 88 have to do with anything? For the record, I originally made this throwaway to criticize the CCP’s oppression of Hong Kong (hence “hk”). 8 is a lucky number in Chinese. As for throwaways, maybe look at the fact that any questioning of the currently predominant racism leads to accusations of nazism, and see if that explains why people might want to make their objections anonymously.

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
Just for your knowledge (I’m Asian too so I had to learn this) 88 is a nazi dog whistle in America. Specifically, h is the eighth letter of the alphabet and 88 -> hh -> heil hitler. I don’t know how common it is among actual nazi circles to use that phrasing, honestly, because I don’t know any nazi communities, but that’s the common online belief.
- acheron 5y ago
  To be clear, this is nonsense and nobody actually does it. It’s the same kind of bullshit as saying the “ok” symbol is racist or whatever. I don’t know how many people honestly believe it or if they’re all just trolling, but if people do honestly believe it then they are wrong.
- hkthrowaway88 5y ago
  Just so you know, most of that “nazi dog whistle” stuff (like the ok sign) was fabricated by trolls on 4chan. So maybe think for yourself a little before you go accusing people of things based on Internet hearsay.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
    Wait, how is it possible that you stated you don’t know what the person was talking about and then turn around and tell me the precise origins of the thing? Did you Google it?
    - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
      I never heard of 88, but the ok symbol was definitely a 4chan creation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture So, I’m very skeptical of “secret Nazi dog whistle” nonsense. If something is incorrect, it sufficient to say that it’s incorrect, and explain why. Claiming something is a secret dog whistle for Nazis just means that you don’t have any credible refutation about its correctness.
  - detaro 5y ago
    88 being used by nazis predates 4chan, it's not a recent invention.
    - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
      And 8 being an indication of good fortune predates Nazism.
      - detaro 5y ago
        Sure, but utterly irrelevant to the perception of 88 in the west today. Feel free to remain "skeptical" of that, but don't be surprised about people making that association.
    - dsr_ 5y ago
      Indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88 (1970s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88 (1990s) I also advise against using the fylfot or swastika, even though it has centuries of positive associations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika and then came the Nazis, who ruined it permanently.

jccalhoun 5y ago

In addition, what the person is saying is just wrong. Source? Me. I'm a straight white male in the humanities. I can point to at least a dozen straight white people I went to grad school with that teach at various levels of college from community college to R1. I don't think I know a single straight white male that got his phd and doesn't have some job in academia. (it is possible that there are some I went to school with that got their phd and left academia but I have not stayed in contact with them.)

hkthrowaway88 5y ago
Community college? Come on, be serious. I mean jobs in which people can have an actual academic career, i.e. be published and have an impact on their discipline.
- jccalhoun 5y ago
  I wrote, "teach at various levels of college from community college to R1"
  - hkthrowaway88 5y ago
    How many at each? Edit: To be perfectly clear, I mean no disrespect to anyone who teaches at a community college. It is valuable and important work. But I think it’s fair to say that people going into a Phd program, and dedicating 6-10 years of their life to working themselves ragged as the OP describes, are not doing so with the hope that they may one day teach at a community college. So, holding that up and saying “See, they had a perfectly fine outcome from getting a PhD, they got to teach at a community college!” is just disingenuous.
    - jccalhoun 5y ago
      You said "Not mentioned here, but if you want an academic job in the humanities, in the US, don't be white. Universities have adopted explicitly racist hiring policies for the time being."