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A more accurate statement would be that Facebook/Google do sell your info for profit and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree). Track records are imp

by Closi 5y ago

A more accurate statement would be that Facebook/Google do sell your info for profit and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree). Track records are important.

beckman466 5y ago
> and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree) Do you consider Apple's participation in the NSA's PRISM program to be worse than selling info to advertisers? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
- rahoulb 5y ago
  No. I'm not in the US, so I have no level of influence on the NSA. However, my Member of Parliament is tech-savvy (ex-developer although I don't know how good he was), he has a monthly surgery where anyone can raise issues with him or they can message him (or at least his office) directly. And he can (and has previously) raised privacy issues in Parliament and with members of the Privy Council (who have access to national security matters and regularly meet with agencies like the Security Service and GCHQ). Even if I didn't have this particular MP, it would be part of any MP's duties to report my concerns to Parliament - so there is some level (no matter how small) of accountability. I have no influence whatsoever with these private companies that gather and sell data on me.
ccouzens 5y ago
Do they sell your data, or does your data allow them to profit by showing you more targeted ads?
- Closi 5y ago
  They productise my data into targeted ads which they then sell, but I’m assuming that’s what OPs post meant by “selling data” considering the article doesn’t imply that Apple would literally sell customer information directly to another company (nor does this privacy change allow that).
  - someperson 5y ago
    Your statement purporting to be accurate is completely inaccurate.
    - Closi 5y ago
      It purported to be more accurate, not 100% accurate. I wanted to reuse the language in the first post to make the broader point that there is a difference between a company which has already been doing something for 15 years and a company which has never done that thing but could feasibly do it in the future.
jsnell 5y ago
Apple already builds an advertising profile of you (without consent), and allows ad buyers to target ads against people with specific profiles. They reportedly do billions of dollars per year of this business. Sure, they don't sell your raw information to anyone, but neither do F/G. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... Track records are, indeed, important. Why are you giving Apple a free pass on theirs?

by Closi 5y ago

A more accurate statement would be that Facebook/Google do sell your info for profit and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree). Track records are important.

beckman466 5y ago

> and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree) Do you consider Apple's participation in the NSA's PRISM program to be worse than selling info to advertisers? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

rahoulb 5y ago
No. I'm not in the US, so I have no level of influence on the NSA. However, my Member of Parliament is tech-savvy (ex-developer although I don't know how good he was), he has a monthly surgery where anyone can raise issues with him or they can message him (or at least his office) directly. And he can (and has previously) raised privacy issues in Parliament and with members of the Privy Council (who have access to national security matters and regularly meet with agencies like the Security Service and GCHQ). Even if I didn't have this particular MP, it would be part of any MP's duties to report my concerns to Parliament - so there is some level (no matter how small) of accountability. I have no influence whatsoever with these private companies that gather and sell data on me.

ccouzens 5y ago

Do they sell your data, or does your data allow them to profit by showing you more targeted ads?

Closi 5y ago
They productise my data into targeted ads which they then sell, but I’m assuming that’s what OPs post meant by “selling data” considering the article doesn’t imply that Apple would literally sell customer information directly to another company (nor does this privacy change allow that).
- someperson 5y ago
  Your statement purporting to be accurate is completely inaccurate.
  - Closi 5y ago
    It purported to be more accurate, not 100% accurate. I wanted to reuse the language in the first post to make the broader point that there is a difference between a company which has already been doing something for 15 years and a company which has never done that thing but could feasibly do it in the future.

jsnell 5y ago

Apple already builds an advertising profile of you (without consent), and allows ad buyers to target ads against people with specific profiles. They reportedly do billions of dollars per year of this business. Sure, they don't sell your raw information to anyone, but neither do F/G. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... Track records are, indeed, important. Why are you giving Apple a free pass on theirs?