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Facebook MAY sell your info for profit. But Apple never will. Google MAY use you info for profit but Apple never will. Apple removed all competition so they can

by dmz73 5y ago

Facebook MAY sell your info for profit. But Apple never will. Google MAY use you info for profit but Apple never will. Apple removed all competition so they can charge me 5x the price and they will NEVER sell my info to profit, NEVER.

beckman466 5y ago
yeah add to that the fact that icloud backups aren't e2e encrypted (no SV infrastructure services are). we need zero-knowledge systems now.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  They developed a system to do that. The Feds stepped in. https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end... Of course, you've always been able to do encrypted backups to your local computer.
  - beckman466 5y ago
    i'm referring also to the near zero-portability of a person's data. the multiple lock in mechanisms of most platforms. why can't i download a git archive of my google docs? the versioning feature only works on the proprietary web app - google's platform. these are all inter-related problems, and all strategies used on purpose to lock people in and make them dependent so as to be able to extract economic rents. https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/01/abolish-silicon-valley https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/01/abolish-silicon-valley
Closi 5y ago
A more accurate statement would be that Facebook/Google do sell your info for profit and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree). Track records are important.
- beckman466 5y ago
  > and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree) Do you consider Apple's participation in the NSA's PRISM program to be worse than selling info to advertisers? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
  - rahoulb 5y ago
    No. I'm not in the US, so I have no level of influence on the NSA. However, my Member of Parliament is tech-savvy (ex-developer although I don't know how good he was), he has a monthly surgery where anyone can raise issues with him or they can message him (or at least his office) directly. And he can (and has previously) raised privacy issues in Parliament and with members of the Privy Council (who have access to national security matters and regularly meet with agencies like the Security Service and GCHQ). Even if I didn't have this particular MP, it would be part of any MP's duties to report my concerns to Parliament - so there is some level (no matter how small) of accountability. I have no influence whatsoever with these private companies that gather and sell data on me.
- ccouzens 5y ago
  Do they sell your data, or does your data allow them to profit by showing you more targeted ads?
  - Closi 5y ago
    They productise my data into targeted ads which they then sell, but I’m assuming that’s what OPs post meant by “selling data” considering the article doesn’t imply that Apple would literally sell customer information directly to another company (nor does this privacy change allow that).
    - someperson 5y ago
      Your statement purporting to be accurate is completely inaccurate.

by dmz73 5y ago

beckman466 5y ago

yeah add to that the fact that icloud backups aren't e2e encrypted (no SV infrastructure services are). we need zero-knowledge systems now.

GeekyBear 5y ago
They developed a system to do that. The Feds stepped in. https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end... Of course, you've always been able to do encrypted backups to your local computer.
- beckman466 5y ago
  i'm referring also to the near zero-portability of a person's data. the multiple lock in mechanisms of most platforms. why can't i download a git archive of my google docs? the versioning feature only works on the proprietary web app - google's platform. these are all inter-related problems, and all strategies used on purpose to lock people in and make them dependent so as to be able to extract economic rents. https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/01/abolish-silicon-valley https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/01/abolish-silicon-valley

Closi 5y ago

A more accurate statement would be that Facebook/Google do sell your info for profit and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree). Track records are important.

beckman466 5y ago
> and Apple haven’t yet (at least to the same degree) Do you consider Apple's participation in the NSA's PRISM program to be worse than selling info to advertisers? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
- rahoulb 5y ago
  No. I'm not in the US, so I have no level of influence on the NSA. However, my Member of Parliament is tech-savvy (ex-developer although I don't know how good he was), he has a monthly surgery where anyone can raise issues with him or they can message him (or at least his office) directly. And he can (and has previously) raised privacy issues in Parliament and with members of the Privy Council (who have access to national security matters and regularly meet with agencies like the Security Service and GCHQ). Even if I didn't have this particular MP, it would be part of any MP's duties to report my concerns to Parliament - so there is some level (no matter how small) of accountability. I have no influence whatsoever with these private companies that gather and sell data on me.
ccouzens 5y ago
Do they sell your data, or does your data allow them to profit by showing you more targeted ads?
- Closi 5y ago
  They productise my data into targeted ads which they then sell, but I’m assuming that’s what OPs post meant by “selling data” considering the article doesn’t imply that Apple would literally sell customer information directly to another company (nor does this privacy change allow that).
  - someperson 5y ago
    Your statement purporting to be accurate is completely inaccurate.