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Ah. So it does have more than climate change issues in it. As a Canuck, I see this as a huge US weakness. These megabills, riders and such. The parent's poi

Ah. So it does have more than climate change issues in it. As a Canuck, I see this as a huge US weakness. These megabills, riders and such. The parent's point is valid. If people cared, really, really cared, it would be a single purpose bill. It would be more effective too, in that, people could legitimately say... this is only about climate change. Nothing else. What part of this do you object to? Right now, it clearly is not, and lo and behold, people can easily reject it, and even have very valid reasons for doing so.

bettysdiagnose 5y ago
I suspect if the US political system weren't so dysfunctional, there wouldn't be any need to roll it into a single mega bill. I don't think it's about caring or not caring. Indeed to suggest that it's evidence that people don't care about it, those are your own projections. I don't think they make sense at all.
lelandfe 5y ago
> What part of this do you object to? Given the lack of success of, well, any major climate change action in the US, this quality would probably not provide much.
dillondoyle 5y ago
If you take it a step further, ask why do we need to use reconciliation and a single megabill, the problem becomes the Senate. The Senate already gives heavy weight to less populated conservative states. add the filibuster rule - which a simple majority can get rid of - and it just amplifies the power of white, conservative men who vote to get re-elected or build for a presidential run. They're voting for what appeals to something like less than 40% of the population. We're talking about giving DREAMers a path to citizenship which is supported by over 75% of voters... I think people really care. It isn't their top issue but it has very broad support. it does look like there is some movement on a standalone bill with at least a couple Republicans supporting it. But I wouldn't hold my breath though. [1] As the original comment shows, one side views it as a 'power grab' to 'dilute' voting power... That's a pretty narrow view and to me reads a small shade of likely racial bias. And back to state elections of Senators, that rhetoric is what wins votes for many of these Rs and that's what drives their decision making. Money too. But that's used to win votes. One hears the same argument against universal vote-by-mail and other anti-suppression measures. A 'vote grab'.. yeah that's the point we should encourage more people to vote! 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/congress-documented-dreamers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/congress-docu...
stormbrew 5y ago
Mega bills happen in Canada too. Lots of random stuff is snuck into budget bills, often for similar reasons -- especially in minority parliaments. It allows a kind of brinksmanship; approve the budget or we have an election you'll lose seats in. Harper was particularly fond of them, since most of his term was in a very confrontational minority government.

bettysdiagnose 5y ago

I suspect if the US political system weren't so dysfunctional, there wouldn't be any need to roll it into a single mega bill. I don't think it's about caring or not caring. Indeed to suggest that it's evidence that people don't care about it, those are your own projections. I don't think they make sense at all.

lelandfe 5y ago

> What part of this do you object to? Given the lack of success of, well, any major climate change action in the US, this quality would probably not provide much.

dillondoyle 5y ago

If you take it a step further, ask why do we need to use reconciliation and a single megabill, the problem becomes the Senate. The Senate already gives heavy weight to less populated conservative states. add the filibuster rule - which a simple majority can get rid of - and it just amplifies the power of white, conservative men who vote to get re-elected or build for a presidential run. They're voting for what appeals to something like less than 40% of the population. We're talking about giving DREAMers a path to citizenship which is supported by over 75% of voters... I think people really care. It isn't their top issue but it has very broad support. it does look like there is some movement on a standalone bill with at least a couple Republicans supporting it. But I wouldn't hold my breath though. [1] As the original comment shows, one side views it as a 'power grab' to 'dilute' voting power... That's a pretty narrow view and to me reads a small shade of likely racial bias. And back to state elections of Senators, that rhetoric is what wins votes for many of these Rs and that's what drives their decision making. Money too. But that's used to win votes. One hears the same argument against universal vote-by-mail and other anti-suppression measures. A 'vote grab'.. yeah that's the point we should encourage more people to vote! 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/congress-documented-dreamers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/congress-docu...

stormbrew 5y ago

Mega bills happen in Canada too. Lots of random stuff is snuck into budget bills, often for similar reasons -- especially in minority parliaments. It allows a kind of brinksmanship; approve the budget or we have an election you'll lose seats in. Harper was particularly fond of them, since most of his term was in a very confrontational minority government.