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Ligne Claire

204 points by srvmshr 5y ago

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billfruit 5y ago
Anyone know of some curated list or catalogue of drawing styles like this. The Wikipedia article does not link to any meta category of drawing style, though it does link to another contemporary drawing style, "Marcinelle school".
- thih9 5y ago
  Not exactly that, but the comic book Wikipedia page [1] has a short description of how different cultures approach comic books, along with most popular titles. It is a fun starting point for exploring differences in styles. There is also a list of comic books by country [2]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comics_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comics_by_country
  - vidarh 5y ago
    These were really surprising disappointments for Wikipedia, with large markets like Scandinavia missing (some titles have at times sold more in individual Scandinavian countries than in the US). Went hunting for relevant pages, and it's surprising how weak Wikipedia is on this entire subject.
    - rewma 5y ago
      > Went hunting for relevant pages, and it's surprising how weak Wikipedia is on this entire subject. That's how Wikipedia works: people like you and me search for a topic, and if something is missing then it's up to us to fill the blanks. Contributing something to a wiki takes as much work as posting a message on HN.
      - lkramer 5y ago
        to be fair though, it can be a hassle to get something on wikipedia - writing a well thought out addition to a page, only to have it immediately reversed out can be disheartening. I remember making a small edit to the page of my kid's school, to correct an obvious factual error, providing a source with the correct information, and ended up in an edit war over it...
        rewma 5y ago
        > to be fair though, it can be a hassle to get something on wikipedia - writing a well thought out addition to a page, only to have it immediately reversed out can be disheartening. It indeed can take work, but that's also the reason why wikipedia's signal/noise ratio is high and often passed as the tertiary source. Still, I feel that the bulk of the work lies in establishing notoriety. Sometimes people feel that very obscure topics that lack any acceptable source and fail to establish notoriety should be center stage. Sometimes the problem is half-assed nature of a contribution. Still, it's better to give it a try than to simply complain about no one having done any work.
        KarlKemp 5y ago
        I've noticed that I stopped being reverted as I made more edits. I have maybe 500 edits, total, so I doubt it's people actually remembering me. The two biggest contributors, as far as I can tell, is that your first <x> edits are scrutinized more extensively. That's either informal/by some of the spam rules/etc., or, on some wikipedias (dewiki, for example), a specific feature where your first <x> edits need to be signed off by more experienced users. The second, and probably more important, mechanism is simply getting better. WP has a rather distinct style in that it allows absolutely zero jokes, for example, no matter how subtle. Compare with even the most respected publications... The Economist and it's silly captions come to mind. It's not just humor, but any form of metaphor or irony will usually get reversed, as does any interpretation, even if obvious: "As the judge became senile, his verdicts started to become erratic. Some defendants chose to gamble and not protest his assignment, and some of them probably got away with murder". That needs references not just for senility and erraticisms. The causality will be challenged, as will the speculation on defendants motives, the imagery of gambling, and the conjecture about random verdicts potentially letting criminals get off.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  Maybe open an empty mega page. That may entice others to fill the void.
  - rvba 5y ago
    That may entice some asshole to speedy delete it. That's the state of current wikipedia - a clique of 1000 who delete anything added by anyone else.
- deleted 5y ago
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- kbr2000 5y ago
  Don't know if it helps, but the dutch [0] and french [1] versions of the page contain some more detail and sections on similar styles. You could also try to inform yourself at the Belgian comic strip museum [2] [0] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klare_lijn https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klare_lijn [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_claire https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_claire [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Comic_Strip_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Comic_Strip_Center
noisy_boy 5y ago
I always found the level of detail in the clear flat drawings of Tintin comics impressive. It is good to know the name of the style after all these years.
- mikepurvis 5y ago
  I was a big Tintin fan as a kid, too, so this is super nostalgic. Looking back on it as an adult, I wonder if this style was a product of the time— for example, Disney's Snow White (1937) has a very similar approach, with flat cel-based animation on top of lush, realistic, painted backgrounds.
  - goto11 5y ago
    The classic Disney style is due to technical constraints. Animation was inked and painted on transparent sheets overlayed on static backgrounds. The animated figures have to be simple and well-defined shapes because otherwise it is just too much work to ink and paint consistently over thousands of sheets (12 sheets per second of film!). The backgrounds are static though, so they can be arbitrarily subtle and detailed. Movements over backgrounds is done by moving the camera over a larger painting. The stylistic difference between background and animation can be quite jarring though, and ligne claire actually attempt the opposite effect, that figures and backgrounds have exactly the same style and level of detail.
- ur-whale 5y ago
  >I always found the level of detail impressive If you're into level of detail, you should take a gander at Hard-Boiled [1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Boiled_(comics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Boiled_(comics) [2] https://www.cuartomundo.cl/2018/03/26/hard-boiled-1990-de-frank-miller-y-geof-darrow-gramatica-violenta/ https://www.cuartomundo.cl/2018/03/26/hard-boiled-1990-de-fr...
  - noisy_boy 5y ago
    That is very impressive level of detail though it pushes the boundary of "clean" and gets too "real" (and depending on what you are looking for, that may be a good thing). Thanks for sharing.
yssjp 5y ago
My grandfather was a Painter and as a kid he would hand me a panel of Calvin and Hobbes or Tintin to copy while he was working. It really gave me an appreciation for what simplicity could do. What Bill Waterson or Herge did with a simple line here or an addition of two dots there to change a facial expression or add movement to scene was like magic to me as a kid. And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. Basically these artists brains were running highly optimized compression algos.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  There's some poetry in there
- scubbo 5y ago
  > And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. You will probably enjoy "Understanding Comics", by Scott McCloud.
- rewma 5y ago
  > And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. Basically these artists brains were running highly optimized compression algos. Christoph Niemann[¹] has an interesting series on Instagram he dubbed Abstract Sunday[²] where he posts Sunday sketches, and it amazes me how much detail he compresses in so few brush strokes. I definitely recommend a click. [1] https://www.christophniemann.com/ https://www.christophniemann.com/ [2] https://www.christophniemann.com/detail/sunday-sketches-2/ https://www.christophniemann.com/detail/sunday-sketches-2/
- goto11 5y ago
  Waterson is not really considered ligne claire though. The line is more sketchy and backgrounds are often simplified or eliminated.
p4bl0 5y ago
This is probably stupid, but this style of drawing is why I could never read Tintin. I didn't know it had a name until now. I can't really explain why, but it kind of makes me uncomfortable or something. So weird. Especially because most people seem to really enjoy it. Is anyone else sharing this feeling or is it just me?
- irdc 5y ago
  You may be on to something: I seem to have experienced the opposite, as having grown up reading Ligne Claire-comics initially made it really difficult for me to follow what was happening in comics drawn in other styles.
  - Karto 5y ago
    Same here. After, like every little French boy, having been fed with Tintin and Asterix in my baby bottle, much of the more modern work made me feel like the author was not straight to the point enough, wasting my attention with his uncertain and meandering process of drawing. It took a lot of time to appreciate anything else and stop feeling like it's all amateurish sketching.
    - Koshkin 5y ago
      When I was a kid I hated geographical maps that did not have a ligne claire drawn between the land and the ocean.
    - signal11 5y ago
      > After, like every little French boy, having been fed with Tintin and Asterix in my baby bottle Not French but I've felt this too -- purely on an aesthetic level I enjoy the artwork of Tintins, Asterixes, and even older American superhero comics, because of the simpler, more traditionally comic-like artwork. Modern comics have more realistic colors but appear "over-pencilled"[1,2] somehow. [1] https://imgur.com/a/GOCCMZv https://imgur.com/a/GOCCMZv [2] https://imgur.com/a/Rysp9do https://imgur.com/a/Rysp9do
  - p4bl0 5y ago
thrdbndndn 5y ago
A Japanese artist, 焦茶, who was famous for his Ligne claire style art, just passed away last year at 25 yo. https://twitter.com/bard713 https://twitter.com/bard713 https://www.pixiv.net/users/12845810 https://www.pixiv.net/users/12845810
- madmads 5y ago
  Do you know why he passed away? His art is very well done.
  - thrdbndndn 5y ago
    His family said it was an accident with no foul play. No more details were given iirc. By the way his death was only announced this year, 6 months later after his death (but it's not uncommon in Japan).
mvdwoord 5y ago
I am looking at some work of a dutch artist for my house. Beautiful drawings in this style, of iconic dutch architecture. http://www.veerkamp.nl/paginas/gemeentemuseum.html http://www.veerkamp.nl/paginas/gemeentemuseum.html
- tgv 5y ago
  You could also look at Joost Swarte.
Emigre_ 5y ago
Spanish cartoonist Daniel Torres follows this style. He’s great. https://www.alanlynchartists.com/daniel-torres https://www.alanlynchartists.com/daniel-torres
d--b 5y ago
Forgive the pun but the wikipedia definition is rather obscure…
YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
>> All these elements together can result in giving comics drawn this way a flat aspect. Citation needed. The ligne claire style also includes use of perspective. In combination with bright colours flattness is avoided.
bullen 5y ago
Sable made this their style mimicking Moebius: https://store.steampowered.com/app/757310/Sable/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/757310/Sable/
- notRobot 5y ago
  That looks really cool!
- nftartfund 5y ago
  This is really beautiful
- ur-whale 5y ago
  Oooh, didn't know about this. Lovely artwork (I'm a fan of Moebius, so no wonder)>
nftartfund 5y ago
Wonderful post! I was recently looking to at some vintage Tintin posters for my apartment. Anyone familiar with the works by Milo Manara, although quite erotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Manara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Manara
dvh 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel_shading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel_shading
Emigre_ 5y ago
Logicomix is a comic book drawn in that style about the search for the foundations of mathematics. Recommended! I have the impression that lots of HN readers would like it. https://www.logicomix.com/en/index.html https://www.logicomix.com/en/index.html
- fancy_pantser 5y ago
  I am seconding the recommendation; I read it years ago and it still comes to mind often!
ris 5y ago
Someone's a subscriber to breadsword's youtube channel.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  I haven't heard of that channel. Is it good? Care to sell me on it? I'm always on the look out for more high quality YouTube channels...
  - ris 5y ago
    If you're interested in this article watch his episode on TinTin.
bbx 5y ago
I was obsessed with the Ligne Claire years ago. There was this black and white drawing of a plane cruising above a tumultuous ocean, taken from the album L’Étoile Mystérieuse. It was purely done with black lines but the movement and the depth of the drawing was fantastic. I was never able to find that drawing again.
Guillaume86 5y ago
Well that explains the name of the library specialized in comics in my Belgian city, neat.
- wannabag 5y ago
  And that city be Mons, right?
  - Guillaume86 5y ago
    Spot on
nvr219 5y ago
I always saw this spelled Ligma Claire?
gandalfgreybeer 5y ago
Have no artistic background but I sort of want to train to have artstyle like this. Any references I can look into? Googling just resulted in some obscure French books that I definitely won’t have access to: L'atelier de la bande dessinée avec Hergé
- goto11 5y ago
  What is your level? Do you already know how to draw in a realistic style?
  - gandalfgreybeer 5y ago
    Practically a beginner. I tried following some books a few years ago + the basic art classes in high school is my skill extent.
- themodelplumber 5y ago
  A really simple way is to draw an element (a face, hand, dog, whatever but please don't start with vehicles, those were drawn more mechanically) by hand on vellum or tracing paper, then overlay on the original to compare as if getting feedback from the artist. You can make initial tracings to make sure the two align. And you should typically enlarge the original art by 2.5x at least in order to work near the original size. Comic art schools have been doing this for a long time but in the reverse, with professional artists drawing on your art afterward, instead of overlaying on their art. Joe Kubert's correspondence course was set up this way for example. For pens, start with a stiff small nib brush pen by Zebra or Pilot, or a dip pen with a comic nib. Alternately the small-point sharpie nibs can be bent out of shape and give a nib effect. For ligne claire IMO it can help to go straight to pen and skip pencil, at least for stylistic practice, because what you're looking for is the final line expression and characteristics. Be sure to look at the artist's very early work so you don't miss out on the fact that this is not easy to nail right out of the gate. :-) Inkscape is a great digital tool for practicing this look as well.

204 points by srvmshr 5y ago

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billfruit 5y ago

Anyone know of some curated list or catalogue of drawing styles like this. The Wikipedia article does not link to any meta category of drawing style, though it does link to another contemporary drawing style, "Marcinelle school".

thih9 5y ago
Not exactly that, but the comic book Wikipedia page [1] has a short description of how different cultures approach comic books, along with most popular titles. It is a fun starting point for exploring differences in styles. There is also a list of comic books by country [2]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comics_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comics_by_country
- vidarh 5y ago
  These were really surprising disappointments for Wikipedia, with large markets like Scandinavia missing (some titles have at times sold more in individual Scandinavian countries than in the US). Went hunting for relevant pages, and it's surprising how weak Wikipedia is on this entire subject.
  - rewma 5y ago
    > Went hunting for relevant pages, and it's surprising how weak Wikipedia is on this entire subject. That's how Wikipedia works: people like you and me search for a topic, and if something is missing then it's up to us to fill the blanks. Contributing something to a wiki takes as much work as posting a message on HN.
    - lkramer 5y ago
      to be fair though, it can be a hassle to get something on wikipedia - writing a well thought out addition to a page, only to have it immediately reversed out can be disheartening. I remember making a small edit to the page of my kid's school, to correct an obvious factual error, providing a source with the correct information, and ended up in an edit war over it...
      - rewma 5y ago
        > to be fair though, it can be a hassle to get something on wikipedia - writing a well thought out addition to a page, only to have it immediately reversed out can be disheartening. It indeed can take work, but that's also the reason why wikipedia's signal/noise ratio is high and often passed as the tertiary source. Still, I feel that the bulk of the work lies in establishing notoriety. Sometimes people feel that very obscure topics that lack any acceptable source and fail to establish notoriety should be center stage. Sometimes the problem is half-assed nature of a contribution. Still, it's better to give it a try than to simply complain about no one having done any work.
        KarlKemp 5y ago
        I've noticed that I stopped being reverted as I made more edits. I have maybe 500 edits, total, so I doubt it's people actually remembering me. The two biggest contributors, as far as I can tell, is that your first <x> edits are scrutinized more extensively. That's either informal/by some of the spam rules/etc., or, on some wikipedias (dewiki, for example), a specific feature where your first <x> edits need to be signed off by more experienced users. The second, and probably more important, mechanism is simply getting better. WP has a rather distinct style in that it allows absolutely zero jokes, for example, no matter how subtle. Compare with even the most respected publications... The Economist and it's silly captions come to mind. It's not just humor, but any form of metaphor or irony will usually get reversed, as does any interpretation, even if obvious: "As the judge became senile, his verdicts started to become erratic. Some defendants chose to gamble and not protest his assignment, and some of them probably got away with murder". That needs references not just for senility and erraticisms. The causality will be challenged, as will the speculation on defendants motives, the imagery of gambling, and the conjecture about random verdicts potentially letting criminals get off.
agumonkey 5y ago
Maybe open an empty mega page. That may entice others to fill the void.
- rvba 5y ago
  That may entice some asshole to speedy delete it. That's the state of current wikipedia - a clique of 1000 who delete anything added by anyone else.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
kbr2000 5y ago
Don't know if it helps, but the dutch [0] and french [1] versions of the page contain some more detail and sections on similar styles. You could also try to inform yourself at the Belgian comic strip museum [2] [0] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klare_lijn https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klare_lijn [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_claire https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_claire [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Comic_Strip_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Comic_Strip_Center

noisy_boy 5y ago

I always found the level of detail in the clear flat drawings of Tintin comics impressive. It is good to know the name of the style after all these years.

mikepurvis 5y ago
I was a big Tintin fan as a kid, too, so this is super nostalgic. Looking back on it as an adult, I wonder if this style was a product of the time— for example, Disney's Snow White (1937) has a very similar approach, with flat cel-based animation on top of lush, realistic, painted backgrounds.
- goto11 5y ago
  The classic Disney style is due to technical constraints. Animation was inked and painted on transparent sheets overlayed on static backgrounds. The animated figures have to be simple and well-defined shapes because otherwise it is just too much work to ink and paint consistently over thousands of sheets (12 sheets per second of film!). The backgrounds are static though, so they can be arbitrarily subtle and detailed. Movements over backgrounds is done by moving the camera over a larger painting. The stylistic difference between background and animation can be quite jarring though, and ligne claire actually attempt the opposite effect, that figures and backgrounds have exactly the same style and level of detail.
ur-whale 5y ago
>I always found the level of detail impressive If you're into level of detail, you should take a gander at Hard-Boiled [1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Boiled_(comics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Boiled_(comics) [2] https://www.cuartomundo.cl/2018/03/26/hard-boiled-1990-de-frank-miller-y-geof-darrow-gramatica-violenta/ https://www.cuartomundo.cl/2018/03/26/hard-boiled-1990-de-fr...
- noisy_boy 5y ago
  That is very impressive level of detail though it pushes the boundary of "clean" and gets too "real" (and depending on what you are looking for, that may be a good thing). Thanks for sharing.

yssjp 5y ago

My grandfather was a Painter and as a kid he would hand me a panel of Calvin and Hobbes or Tintin to copy while he was working. It really gave me an appreciation for what simplicity could do. What Bill Waterson or Herge did with a simple line here or an addition of two dots there to change a facial expression or add movement to scene was like magic to me as a kid. And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. Basically these artists brains were running highly optimized compression algos.

agumonkey 5y ago
There's some poetry in there
scubbo 5y ago
> And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. You will probably enjoy "Understanding Comics", by Scott McCloud.
rewma 5y ago
> And my grandfather used to say the longer you look at something the easier it gets to compress all the information of a complex world into a few dots. Basically these artists brains were running highly optimized compression algos. Christoph Niemann[¹] has an interesting series on Instagram he dubbed Abstract Sunday[²] where he posts Sunday sketches, and it amazes me how much detail he compresses in so few brush strokes. I definitely recommend a click. [1] https://www.christophniemann.com/ https://www.christophniemann.com/ [2] https://www.christophniemann.com/detail/sunday-sketches-2/ https://www.christophniemann.com/detail/sunday-sketches-2/
goto11 5y ago
Waterson is not really considered ligne claire though. The line is more sketchy and backgrounds are often simplified or eliminated.

p4bl0 5y ago

This is probably stupid, but this style of drawing is why I could never read Tintin. I didn't know it had a name until now. I can't really explain why, but it kind of makes me uncomfortable or something. So weird. Especially because most people seem to really enjoy it. Is anyone else sharing this feeling or is it just me?

irdc 5y ago
You may be on to something: I seem to have experienced the opposite, as having grown up reading Ligne Claire-comics initially made it really difficult for me to follow what was happening in comics drawn in other styles.
- Karto 5y ago
  Same here. After, like every little French boy, having been fed with Tintin and Asterix in my baby bottle, much of the more modern work made me feel like the author was not straight to the point enough, wasting my attention with his uncertain and meandering process of drawing. It took a lot of time to appreciate anything else and stop feeling like it's all amateurish sketching.
  - Koshkin 5y ago
    When I was a kid I hated geographical maps that did not have a ligne claire drawn between the land and the ocean.
  - signal11 5y ago
    > After, like every little French boy, having been fed with Tintin and Asterix in my baby bottle Not French but I've felt this too -- purely on an aesthetic level I enjoy the artwork of Tintins, Asterixes, and even older American superhero comics, because of the simpler, more traditionally comic-like artwork. Modern comics have more realistic colors but appear "over-pencilled"[1,2] somehow. [1] https://imgur.com/a/GOCCMZv https://imgur.com/a/GOCCMZv [2] https://imgur.com/a/Rysp9do https://imgur.com/a/Rysp9do
- p4bl0 5y ago

thrdbndndn 5y ago

A Japanese artist, 焦茶, who was famous for his Ligne claire style art, just passed away last year at 25 yo. https://twitter.com/bard713 https://twitter.com/bard713 https://www.pixiv.net/users/12845810 https://www.pixiv.net/users/12845810

madmads 5y ago
Do you know why he passed away? His art is very well done.
- thrdbndndn 5y ago
  His family said it was an accident with no foul play. No more details were given iirc. By the way his death was only announced this year, 6 months later after his death (but it's not uncommon in Japan).

mvdwoord 5y ago

I am looking at some work of a dutch artist for my house. Beautiful drawings in this style, of iconic dutch architecture. http://www.veerkamp.nl/paginas/gemeentemuseum.html http://www.veerkamp.nl/paginas/gemeentemuseum.html

tgv 5y ago
You could also look at Joost Swarte.

Emigre_ 5y ago

Spanish cartoonist Daniel Torres follows this style. He’s great. https://www.alanlynchartists.com/daniel-torres https://www.alanlynchartists.com/daniel-torres

d--b 5y ago

Forgive the pun but the wikipedia definition is rather obscure…

YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago

>> All these elements together can result in giving comics drawn this way a flat aspect. Citation needed. The ligne claire style also includes use of perspective. In combination with bright colours flattness is avoided.

bullen 5y ago

Sable made this their style mimicking Moebius: https://store.steampowered.com/app/757310/Sable/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/757310/Sable/

notRobot 5y ago
That looks really cool!
nftartfund 5y ago
This is really beautiful
ur-whale 5y ago
Oooh, didn't know about this. Lovely artwork (I'm a fan of Moebius, so no wonder)>

nftartfund 5y ago

Wonderful post! I was recently looking to at some vintage Tintin posters for my apartment. Anyone familiar with the works by Milo Manara, although quite erotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Manara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Manara

dvh 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel_shading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel_shading

Emigre_ 5y ago

Logicomix is a comic book drawn in that style about the search for the foundations of mathematics. Recommended! I have the impression that lots of HN readers would like it. https://www.logicomix.com/en/index.html https://www.logicomix.com/en/index.html

fancy_pantser 5y ago
I am seconding the recommendation; I read it years ago and it still comes to mind often!

ris 5y ago

Someone's a subscriber to breadsword's youtube channel.

scrollaway 5y ago
I haven't heard of that channel. Is it good? Care to sell me on it? I'm always on the look out for more high quality YouTube channels...
- ris 5y ago
  If you're interested in this article watch his episode on TinTin.

bbx 5y ago

I was obsessed with the Ligne Claire years ago. There was this black and white drawing of a plane cruising above a tumultuous ocean, taken from the album L’Étoile Mystérieuse. It was purely done with black lines but the movement and the depth of the drawing was fantastic. I was never able to find that drawing again.

Guillaume86 5y ago

Well that explains the name of the library specialized in comics in my Belgian city, neat.

wannabag 5y ago
And that city be Mons, right?
- Guillaume86 5y ago
  Spot on

nvr219 5y ago

I always saw this spelled Ligma Claire?

gandalfgreybeer 5y ago

Have no artistic background but I sort of want to train to have artstyle like this. Any references I can look into? Googling just resulted in some obscure French books that I definitely won’t have access to: L'atelier de la bande dessinée avec Hergé

goto11 5y ago
What is your level? Do you already know how to draw in a realistic style?
- gandalfgreybeer 5y ago
  Practically a beginner. I tried following some books a few years ago + the basic art classes in high school is my skill extent.
themodelplumber 5y ago
A really simple way is to draw an element (a face, hand, dog, whatever but please don't start with vehicles, those were drawn more mechanically) by hand on vellum or tracing paper, then overlay on the original to compare as if getting feedback from the artist. You can make initial tracings to make sure the two align. And you should typically enlarge the original art by 2.5x at least in order to work near the original size. Comic art schools have been doing this for a long time but in the reverse, with professional artists drawing on your art afterward, instead of overlaying on their art. Joe Kubert's correspondence course was set up this way for example. For pens, start with a stiff small nib brush pen by Zebra or Pilot, or a dip pen with a comic nib. Alternately the small-point sharpie nibs can be bent out of shape and give a nib effect. For ligne claire IMO it can help to go straight to pen and skip pencil, at least for stylistic practice, because what you're looking for is the final line expression and characteristics. Be sure to look at the artist's very early work so you don't miss out on the fact that this is not easy to nail right out of the gate. :-) Inkscape is a great digital tool for practicing this look as well.