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“Say you’ve got a client who ordered Belvedere vodka and the caterer couldn’t only get Grey Goose,” Gollan said. “So the customer gets on the plane and he’s tic

“Say you’ve got a client who ordered Belvedere vodka and the caterer couldn’t only get Grey Goose,” Gollan said. “So the customer gets on the plane and he’s ticked off that he’s paying all this money and saying “why didn’t I get my Belvedere vodka?’” Here I am just wanting to not have to go through the TSA nudie scanner or fear getting put on the no-fly list if my mask slips below my nose before the drink cart comes around.

josephcsible 5y ago
> Here I am just wanting to not have to go through the TSA nudie scanner You can avoid that with precheck. > or fear getting put on the no-fly list if my mask slips below my nose before the drink cart comes around. This is definitely a real problem. It applies on private jets in most cases too, though.
- prepend 5y ago
  There’s zero chance that someone on their private jet is wearing a mask if they don’t want to.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > zero chance that someone on their private jet is wearing a mask if they don’t want to There is a non-zero chance that a charter (e.g. Wheels Up or Blade) will require it. That seems to be where the bulk of the new demand is coming from.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      They might claim they do, on their paperwork, website, etc. But what is the reality when they're actually in the air? Do you think stewardesses on these private jets are really in the habit of making demands of their multimillionaire customers? Somehow I doubt it.
      - ourgovtisinept 5y ago
        Don't know why you're being downvoted- in my experience you are 100% correct. Also, having a flight attendant on a private jet is pretty rare. It's usually 2 pilots and drinks are self-serve. Depends on the size of the jet and whether you request one, though.
- darren_ 5y ago
  > You can avoid that with precheck. No I can't, I was born in the wrong country and therefore may never be trusted enough to fly unmolested in America.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    Maybe help your country fix its issues?
- MereInterest 5y ago
  > You can avoid that with precheck. Precheck is an extremely weird product. If the TSA checks actually had any safety impact, trying to bribe your way around them should be the biggest red flag there is. Instead, precheck is expressly allowed and actively advertised. Precheck is nothing more than the TSA letting you pay your way out of a problem that it created.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Your background gets checked as part of getting precheck. Not everyone can get it just because they can afford the fee. And it doesn't let you skip security completely; it just lets you go through a metal detector instead of a body scanner.
    - cosmotic 5y ago
      There are other benefits: typically shorter line, don't have to remove shoes, don't have to unload laptop into bins, sense of superiority, etc.
  - xxxtentachyon 5y ago
    I was surprised by this when I went in for my Precheck appointment soon after the program started. I had made room in my schedule for an hour or so, and was horrified when the entire interview was just a TSA employee taking my picture. I don't really understand what the utility could be beyond revenue and getting ahead of constituent pressure from people rich enough to make some noise about how useless the TSA is.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      It wasn't just that interview. A background check happened behind the scenes.
      - xxxtentachyon 5y ago
        I’m sure it did, but at that point why not automatically grant it to every citizen who can pass a background check?
- ourgovtisinept 5y ago
  >This is definitely a real problem. It applies on private jets in most cases too, though. I just flew on a private jet for the first time in August. All the paperwork and whatnot said masks were required but we never wore one from the second we walked out onto the tarmac. Nobody batted an eye. Even the pilots had theirs down below the chin while flying. I asked and they said 80%+ of their customers did not want to wear a mask, so they didn't push the topic.
- chrismcb 5y ago
  Precheck... Sure feels like a protection racket. It also feels like an easy thing for a terrorist to take advantage of
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OminousWeapons 5y ago
Well to be fair a private jet flight is 2K to 10K per flight hour to use, so I think they're entitled to somewhat higher expectations than the average flier.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  What changed in society that it's now considered unfair if you can get something better by paying extra? Isn't the whole point of money that you can get stuff by spending it?
  - arbol 5y ago
    Ehhhh the extreme concentration of wealth in the minority? That said, it should be forbidden to emit this volume of emissions for the sake of so few people.
cft 5y ago
I upvoted you. The ultrarich that make guidelines for ordinary people (TSA, masks) often themselves have no first hand experience with the practical consequences of said rules. When did Pelosi or her employers like Gettys fly commercial last?
- psd1 5y ago
  Just one moment. The TSA is an artifact of Dubya, both as a specific act and as a result of TWOT. And hey, TWOT itself is a reaction to a terrorist attack that occurred under Dubya's watch and about which he was forewarned and about which he declined to act. He then made fear a pillar of his re-election, a thoroughly right-wing playbook. He made the TSA an identity politics issue. Dubya strong! The next republican government your deluded nation enjoyed was characterised by a Golfer-in-Chief burning as much aviation fuel as he could to pump his tacky resorts and to show off his bum in golf trousers. And you pick NANCY PELOSI as your exemplar? Always baffles me. HN has such ferocious intelligence, encyclopaedic knowledge, and fatheaded right-wing chump nuggets.

josephcsible 5y ago

> Here I am just wanting to not have to go through the TSA nudie scanner You can avoid that with precheck. > or fear getting put on the no-fly list if my mask slips below my nose before the drink cart comes around. This is definitely a real problem. It applies on private jets in most cases too, though.

prepend 5y ago
There’s zero chance that someone on their private jet is wearing a mask if they don’t want to.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > zero chance that someone on their private jet is wearing a mask if they don’t want to There is a non-zero chance that a charter (e.g. Wheels Up or Blade) will require it. That seems to be where the bulk of the new demand is coming from.
  - dogorman 5y ago
    They might claim they do, on their paperwork, website, etc. But what is the reality when they're actually in the air? Do you think stewardesses on these private jets are really in the habit of making demands of their multimillionaire customers? Somehow I doubt it.
    - ourgovtisinept 5y ago
      Don't know why you're being downvoted- in my experience you are 100% correct. Also, having a flight attendant on a private jet is pretty rare. It's usually 2 pilots and drinks are self-serve. Depends on the size of the jet and whether you request one, though.
darren_ 5y ago
> You can avoid that with precheck. No I can't, I was born in the wrong country and therefore may never be trusted enough to fly unmolested in America.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Maybe help your country fix its issues?
MereInterest 5y ago
> You can avoid that with precheck. Precheck is an extremely weird product. If the TSA checks actually had any safety impact, trying to bribe your way around them should be the biggest red flag there is. Instead, precheck is expressly allowed and actively advertised. Precheck is nothing more than the TSA letting you pay your way out of a problem that it created.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Your background gets checked as part of getting precheck. Not everyone can get it just because they can afford the fee. And it doesn't let you skip security completely; it just lets you go through a metal detector instead of a body scanner.
  - cosmotic 5y ago
    There are other benefits: typically shorter line, don't have to remove shoes, don't have to unload laptop into bins, sense of superiority, etc.
- xxxtentachyon 5y ago
  I was surprised by this when I went in for my Precheck appointment soon after the program started. I had made room in my schedule for an hour or so, and was horrified when the entire interview was just a TSA employee taking my picture. I don't really understand what the utility could be beyond revenue and getting ahead of constituent pressure from people rich enough to make some noise about how useless the TSA is.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    It wasn't just that interview. A background check happened behind the scenes.
    - xxxtentachyon 5y ago
      I’m sure it did, but at that point why not automatically grant it to every citizen who can pass a background check?
ourgovtisinept 5y ago
>This is definitely a real problem. It applies on private jets in most cases too, though. I just flew on a private jet for the first time in August. All the paperwork and whatnot said masks were required but we never wore one from the second we walked out onto the tarmac. Nobody batted an eye. Even the pilots had theirs down below the chin while flying. I asked and they said 80%+ of their customers did not want to wear a mask, so they didn't push the topic.
chrismcb 5y ago
Precheck... Sure feels like a protection racket. It also feels like an easy thing for a terrorist to take advantage of

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OminousWeapons 5y ago

Well to be fair a private jet flight is 2K to 10K per flight hour to use, so I think they're entitled to somewhat higher expectations than the average flier.

josephcsible 5y ago
What changed in society that it's now considered unfair if you can get something better by paying extra? Isn't the whole point of money that you can get stuff by spending it?
- arbol 5y ago
  Ehhhh the extreme concentration of wealth in the minority? That said, it should be forbidden to emit this volume of emissions for the sake of so few people.

cft 5y ago

I upvoted you. The ultrarich that make guidelines for ordinary people (TSA, masks) often themselves have no first hand experience with the practical consequences of said rules. When did Pelosi or her employers like Gettys fly commercial last?

psd1 5y ago
Just one moment. The TSA is an artifact of Dubya, both as a specific act and as a result of TWOT. And hey, TWOT itself is a reaction to a terrorist attack that occurred under Dubya's watch and about which he was forewarned and about which he declined to act. He then made fear a pillar of his re-election, a thoroughly right-wing playbook. He made the TSA an identity politics issue. Dubya strong! The next republican government your deluded nation enjoyed was characterised by a Golfer-in-Chief burning as much aviation fuel as he could to pump his tacky resorts and to show off his bum in golf trousers. And you pick NANCY PELOSI as your exemplar? Always baffles me. HN has such ferocious intelligence, encyclopaedic knowledge, and fatheaded right-wing chump nuggets.