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This is about equity, not equality, and it's increasingly clear that a lot of people don't know the difference.

GenerocUsername 5y ago
Literally impossible to provide equitable outcomes to all possible segmentations of humans since those segments can be gerrymandered as easily as our geographic definitions used in the past. For instance, the most hyper-modern views of gender vs sex.
ctdonath 5y ago
Punishing someone based on “wrong” color/gender is evil.
- ramesh31 5y ago
  Yes it is. And that's what we've done as a society for hundreds of years in the US. That we are now attempting to fix that will obviously be seen as an attack, because losing privilege is never easy.
  - ctdonath 5y ago
    “Privilege” is getting a job over a better candidate just because of inclusion in an artificial social construct.
    - ramesh31 5y ago
      >“Privilege” is getting a job over a better candidate just because of inclusion in an artificial social construct. Yes, exactly. Which is what has happened to women and minorities in this country forever.
kjksf 5y ago
Educate us? What do stocks have to do with it?
haswell 5y ago
Will you expand on how you see this distinction and how the distinction matters here? I understand the difference between equity and equality, but I don’t know what exactly you mean to imply here, and don’t want to draw any hasty conclusions about this comment.
captainredbeard 5y ago
The difference is clear and equity is unwanted by many people. It is anathema to those who desire freedom.
TimTheTinker 5y ago
Equity by its normal dictionary definition is great. But as the critical race theory worldview defines it, "equity" involves unequal treatment of people and discrimination (decisions made about how to treat people) on the basis of race. The idea is to retroactively create equal outcomes, not equal opportunities in the present. The problem is: a society can't create either equal outcomes or equal opportunities by intentionally discriminating one way or another, since doing so (1) fails to solve problems at their source and (2) creates new problems. In other words, love is the answer, not hate.
- nsonha 5y ago
  > The problem is: a society can't create equal outcomes or equal opportunities by... Society can't create equal outcomes, period. People don't want the same things in life. Some want to be of service to other people, some want to be rich so they can buy a yacht. You can't just give yachts to everyone and call that equality. We do need safety net and equal opportunities Personally I think the whole idea of equality is stupid because it just makes people compare their life to others instead of thinking about what they want in life. But again if we have to have equality then it's equal opportunities and more importantly, safety net.

Literally impossible to provide equitable outcomes to all possible segmentations of humans since those segments can be gerrymandered as easily as our geographic definitions used in the past. For instance, the most hyper-modern views of gender vs sex.

ctdonath 5y ago

Punishing someone based on “wrong” color/gender is evil.

ramesh31 5y ago
Yes it is. And that's what we've done as a society for hundreds of years in the US. That we are now attempting to fix that will obviously be seen as an attack, because losing privilege is never easy.
- ctdonath 5y ago
  “Privilege” is getting a job over a better candidate just because of inclusion in an artificial social construct.
  - ramesh31 5y ago
    >“Privilege” is getting a job over a better candidate just because of inclusion in an artificial social construct. Yes, exactly. Which is what has happened to women and minorities in this country forever.

kjksf 5y ago

Educate us? What do stocks have to do with it?

haswell 5y ago

Will you expand on how you see this distinction and how the distinction matters here? I understand the difference between equity and equality, but I don’t know what exactly you mean to imply here, and don’t want to draw any hasty conclusions about this comment.

captainredbeard 5y ago

The difference is clear and equity is unwanted by many people. It is anathema to those who desire freedom.

TimTheTinker 5y ago

Equity by its normal dictionary definition is great. But as the critical race theory worldview defines it, "equity" involves unequal treatment of people and discrimination (decisions made about how to treat people) on the basis of race. The idea is to retroactively create equal outcomes, not equal opportunities in the present. The problem is: a society can't create either equal outcomes or equal opportunities by intentionally discriminating one way or another, since doing so (1) fails to solve problems at their source and (2) creates new problems. In other words, love is the answer, not hate.

nsonha 5y ago
> The problem is: a society can't create equal outcomes or equal opportunities by... Society can't create equal outcomes, period. People don't want the same things in life. Some want to be of service to other people, some want to be rich so they can buy a yacht. You can't just give yachts to everyone and call that equality. We do need safety net and equal opportunities Personally I think the whole idea of equality is stupid because it just makes people compare their life to others instead of thinking about what they want in life. But again if we have to have equality then it's equal opportunities and more importantly, safety net.