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> misclassified by 55.5% That's a weird (and confusing) way to phrase it. Better phrasing (I checked the linked source article in the Lancet) would be: "resea

> misclassified by 55.5% That's a weird (and confusing) way to phrase it. Better phrasing (I checked the linked source article in the Lancet) would be: "researchers found that 55·5% of deaths from police violence between 1980 and 2018 were misclassified" It would also have been good to provide the numerator and denominator: "The Lancet estimates 17,100 of 30,800 were misclassified." The headline is good and provides the numerator: > More than 17,000 deaths caused by police have been misclassified since 1980 (Edit: Added clarification as to why I think this is weird confusing, with the full data from the article and suggestions for how NPR could have written this more clearly.)

Retric 5y ago
So police are killing roughly 2 Americans per day, that’s more than I was expecting.
- google234123 5y ago
  How many times a day are Americans trying to kill police (e.g. shooting them, physically assaulting them)?
  - dlp211 5y ago
    I'd guess less than once a day. There is also a huge gulf between assault/resisting arrest and attempted murder.
    - google234123 5y ago
      A police person has to assume that their life is at risk if they are overpowered during an assault since there is a gun involved. Attacking a cop is a life or death struggle - they have to assume you are trying to get their gun.
      - IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
        By that logic, and seeing how far more people are killed by police than police officers are killed by people, anyone getting arrested would have a better claim to be at risk of death. How much better? According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States#2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office..., twenty police officers were killed by assailants in 2020. The list of people killed by the US police isn't a single article, unfortunately. It's a list for every month of every year. Here's January 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_January_2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc... It's 93 deaths for that month. For the year, it's 632.
        google234123 5y ago
        An arrest is not the same as a physical struggle... Anyway, given there are ~10 million arrests a year + 50 million more interactions, and 100s of millions of guns in the US, there's going to be a lot of people that decide to fight back. The fact that people like you are creating a culture were illegally resisting arrest is actually an ethical/political statement contributes to this.
        Retric 5y ago
        Running away is resisting arrest and doesn’t endanger the cop. It’s shocking how you moved the goalposts from death, to conflict, to running away as justification for death. Also, if your comparing numbers cops successfully kill around a thousand people per year and attempt to kill significantly more. Talking about number of interactions let alone guns is a meaningless number.
        google234123 5y ago
        That's actually evading arrest - not the same thing. My point is that if you try and fight someone with a gun, don't be surprised if something bad happens.
  - Retric 5y ago
    Physically assaulting a cop is a much lower bar than your thinking, an unwanted touch is physical assault.

Retric 5y ago

So police are killing roughly 2 Americans per day, that’s more than I was expecting.

google234123 5y ago
How many times a day are Americans trying to kill police (e.g. shooting them, physically assaulting them)?
- dlp211 5y ago
  I'd guess less than once a day. There is also a huge gulf between assault/resisting arrest and attempted murder.
  - google234123 5y ago
    A police person has to assume that their life is at risk if they are overpowered during an assault since there is a gun involved. Attacking a cop is a life or death struggle - they have to assume you are trying to get their gun.
    - IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
      By that logic, and seeing how far more people are killed by police than police officers are killed by people, anyone getting arrested would have a better claim to be at risk of death. How much better? According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States#2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office..., twenty police officers were killed by assailants in 2020. The list of people killed by the US police isn't a single article, unfortunately. It's a list for every month of every year. Here's January 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_January_2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc... It's 93 deaths for that month. For the year, it's 632.
      - google234123 5y ago
        An arrest is not the same as a physical struggle... Anyway, given there are ~10 million arrests a year + 50 million more interactions, and 100s of millions of guns in the US, there's going to be a lot of people that decide to fight back. The fact that people like you are creating a culture were illegally resisting arrest is actually an ethical/political statement contributes to this.
        Retric 5y ago
        Running away is resisting arrest and doesn’t endanger the cop. It’s shocking how you moved the goalposts from death, to conflict, to running away as justification for death. Also, if your comparing numbers cops successfully kill around a thousand people per year and attempt to kill significantly more. Talking about number of interactions let alone guns is a meaningless number.
        google234123 5y ago
        That's actually evading arrest - not the same thing. My point is that if you try and fight someone with a gun, don't be surprised if something bad happens.
- Retric 5y ago
  Physically assaulting a cop is a much lower bar than your thinking, an unwanted touch is physical assault.