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This is a very interesting looking device, but the form factor seems completely impractical. It's kind of sad for the linux ecosystem to see people wasting thei

by yosito 5y ago

This is a very interesting looking device, but the form factor seems completely impractical. It's kind of sad for the linux ecosystem to see people wasting their resources on such silly form factors instead of better touchscreen support and onscreen keyboards for linux.

zamadatix 5y ago
It has a touchscreen, this update was about getting the display on it working properly. Touch keyboards are only really usable on tablets and phone type devices, which this device is not trying to be. If you want a Linux phone check out Android devices or customs like PinePhone.
- monocasa 5y ago
  This has the same A64 AoC as the pinephone too.
dvdkon 5y ago
It's not as if the author of this project would have worked on touchscreen support for mainstream desktop Linux had they not started this. For many (most?), Linux is a platform to use and build upon, not something they want to contribute to just for the sake of it, and that's fine.
sophacles 5y ago
Right - all these people using a free and libre OS for whatever they want to do rather than what you think would be best... so sad. Like you, I will never understand why anyone would choose to exercise their free will and do things that aren't pure submission to random "internet experts". (/s) If you actually want better support for touchscreens and onscreen keyboards, put effort or money of your own into it, and let others do what they want.
- yosito 5y ago
  I do put money and effort into Linux development, which is why I find it frustrating that so many people working on libre software / hardware don't have usability in mind, but only some ego-driven idea of how they think it should be. Freedom for the sake of "having things my way" is childish and annoying. Freedom that is used to improve the ecosystem for the entire community is what is valuable about libre software.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
> better touchscreen support and onscreen keyboards for linux. We have those and they seem perfectly good to me other than lacking predictive text. What do you want that svkbd and your pick of https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Interface https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Interface don't cover?
- yosito 5y ago
  > they seem perfectly good to me > What do you want Usability that compares to even the most basic Android or iPhone onscreen keyboards would be nice. A keyboard is far more than an array of key buttons. Swipe to type, predictive text, autocorrection, responsiveness are the basic features, and linux keyboards don't even have that.
jcun4128 5y ago
Main thing I'm not digging is that keyboard... can you actually use that to do anything meaningful? Maybe if most things are voice controlled or something/copilot. I'm so used to my 1 ft wide mech keyboard.

by yosito 5y ago

zamadatix 5y ago

It has a touchscreen, this update was about getting the display on it working properly. Touch keyboards are only really usable on tablets and phone type devices, which this device is not trying to be. If you want a Linux phone check out Android devices or customs like PinePhone.

monocasa 5y ago
This has the same A64 AoC as the pinephone too.

dvdkon 5y ago

It's not as if the author of this project would have worked on touchscreen support for mainstream desktop Linux had they not started this. For many (most?), Linux is a platform to use and build upon, not something they want to contribute to just for the sake of it, and that's fine.

sophacles 5y ago

Right - all these people using a free and libre OS for whatever they want to do rather than what you think would be best... so sad. Like you, I will never understand why anyone would choose to exercise their free will and do things that aren't pure submission to random "internet experts". (/s) If you actually want better support for touchscreens and onscreen keyboards, put effort or money of your own into it, and let others do what they want.

yosito 5y ago
I do put money and effort into Linux development, which is why I find it frustrating that so many people working on libre software / hardware don't have usability in mind, but only some ego-driven idea of how they think it should be. Freedom for the sake of "having things my way" is childish and annoying. Freedom that is used to improve the ecosystem for the entire community is what is valuable about libre software.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

> better touchscreen support and onscreen keyboards for linux. We have those and they seem perfectly good to me other than lacking predictive text. What do you want that svkbd and your pick of https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Interface https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Interface don't cover?

yosito 5y ago
> they seem perfectly good to me > What do you want Usability that compares to even the most basic Android or iPhone onscreen keyboards would be nice. A keyboard is far more than an array of key buttons. Swipe to type, predictive text, autocorrection, responsiveness are the basic features, and linux keyboards don't even have that.

jcun4128 5y ago

Main thing I'm not digging is that keyboard... can you actually use that to do anything meaningful? Maybe if most things are voice controlled or something/copilot. I'm so used to my 1 ft wide mech keyboard.