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Healthcare workers have been on the front line, unvaccinated, for going on two years. To mandate it or risk being fired has absolutely pissed off quite a few th

Healthcare workers have been on the front line, unvaccinated, for going on two years. To mandate it or risk being fired has absolutely pissed off quite a few that I know of... My wife has gotten it, and even she is offended. The hyperbole around this very serious situation just makes all the policies seem even more like theater. To your second point, there was just a new report I saw yesterday that there is no difference in viral load between asymptomatic vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> The hyperbole around this very serious situation just makes all the policies seem even more like theater. One has to conclude that it is theater at this point. Because the science is pretty darn clear. Interesting that nobody downvoting my comment (and yours) has posted a reputable and recent/current scientific source stating that: 1. Natural immunity is inferior to vaccine-based immunity. 2. Millions of Americans (perhaps 100 million according to a model developed by the CDC) haven't already had and recovered from COVID. 3. Vaccinated individuals can't become infected and spread the virus.
- macintux 5y ago
  I’m definitely in the pro-vaccine, pro-mandate column, but both 1 and 3 from your list strike me as dubious given the information to this point. Certainly there’s been conflicting information on both.
  - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
    Re-read my comment. I'm asking if anybody downvoting me can provide scientific evidence that those statements are true. Nobody has, because they're not. Natural immunity is durable and robust, and vaccinated people can get infected and spread the virus. In fact, according to the Israeli data, vaccinated people are magnitudes of order more likely to get a Delta breakthrough infection than a person with natural immunity is to get reinfected with Delta.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago

> The hyperbole around this very serious situation just makes all the policies seem even more like theater. One has to conclude that it is theater at this point. Because the science is pretty darn clear. Interesting that nobody downvoting my comment (and yours) has posted a reputable and recent/current scientific source stating that: 1. Natural immunity is inferior to vaccine-based immunity. 2. Millions of Americans (perhaps 100 million according to a model developed by the CDC) haven't already had and recovered from COVID. 3. Vaccinated individuals can't become infected and spread the virus.

macintux 5y ago
I’m definitely in the pro-vaccine, pro-mandate column, but both 1 and 3 from your list strike me as dubious given the information to this point. Certainly there’s been conflicting information on both.
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago
  Re-read my comment. I'm asking if anybody downvoting me can provide scientific evidence that those statements are true. Nobody has, because they're not. Natural immunity is durable and robust, and vaccinated people can get infected and spread the virus. In fact, according to the Israeli data, vaccinated people are magnitudes of order more likely to get a Delta breakthrough infection than a person with natural immunity is to get reinfected with Delta.