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So in the name of being inclusive they're bullying someone who is not a native English speaker for not knowing the nuances of political correctness in a foreign

by vlunkr 5y ago

So in the name of being inclusive they're bullying someone who is not a native English speaker for not knowing the nuances of political correctness in a foreign culture? Cool cool.

throwaway894345 5y ago
This happens so often one wonders if "inclusivity" is an actual goal of some of these people, or if it's a sort of an ideological trojan horse.
- vlunkr 5y ago
  I think about this blog post from the creator of redis whenever some thing like this comes up: http://antirez.com/news/122 http://antirez.com/news/122. > I believe that political correctness has a puritan root. As such it focuses on formalities, but actually it has a real root of prejudice against others.
  - throwowow 5y ago
    That's a good post. Heck, our new woke overlords should just put all their SV-billions together in one giant piggy bank and start paying some reparations instead of terrorizing everyone with this political-correctness facade. Now that would be VCs making the world a better place. <3
- akomtu 5y ago
  I'd argue this isn't exactly a Trojan horse, it's a group of poor looking pilgrims who tell sob stories to the guard and convince them to open the gates.
arp242 5y ago
I wouldn't call it "bullying" myself, but it does seem a bit like making a mountain out of a molehill. A big problem with these kind of discussions is that they tend to escalate quite fast. The battle lines are pre-drawn and anything that looks vaguely "sexist" or vaguely "cancel culture-y" will be shot at, no matter what the actual topic is. So this this (minor) incident becomes yet another front on the Great Culture Wars. It's unfortunate because it's very hard to have good-faith conversations like this.
- gwagon 5y ago
  So, perhaps people should stop having good faith conversations with them because it has become apparent that you cant. How can you have a good faith convo with someone that is hell bent on undermining anything you say? It's like trying to play a fair game with someone while they're cheating you the entire time. They don't want inclusivity or whatever else they say. They want control and will use whatever guise to get their way.
Zababa 5y ago
Yes. That's what happens when a group of hyper-politicized people that see/read about inclusiveness and things like that every day encounters people that aren't like them. It's nice that some Americans are currently noticing the issues happening in their country, I'm happy that people are committing time and energy to this. But many of these people have to grow up and realize that the whole world isn't the USA, that different countries have different problems and not everyone is aware of what's happening in the USA. Going around imposing your values is the exact opposite of what you should actually do.
- TomSwirly 5y ago
  > That's what happens when a group of hyper-politicized people Well, maybe you work on undisciplined repositories or technical mailing lists, but most of us do not want to read people's jokes, funny, offensive, or not, when we are on a technical forum. It's really patronizing to say, "Oh, those primitive foreigners, we have to excuse them for posting offensive jokes on a technical forum."
  - Zababa 5y ago
    > It's really patronizing to say, "Oh, those primitive foreigners, we have to excuse them for posting offensive jokes on a technical forum." That's patronizing because you're thinking of them as "primitive foreigners that posts offensive jokes", while you could think of them as "different people in a different culture that may not share every values with you". I don't understand why Americans are so afraid of swear words and jokes, but I don't think they are primitive or stupid or too uptight for it, they are just different. Just look at how judging you are: "undisciplind repositories or technical mailing lists". Repositories are undisciplined because there are offensive jokes? Aren't repositories about code? "most of us do not want to read people's jokes, funny, offensive, or not, when we are on a technical forum": who is "us" here? People from the USA? You and an imaginary group of people? The whole world? I certainly don't mind a good joke, and I like some humor that can be considered too much in US culture. Don't just assume that you're in the right and in the position to judge people.
    - 5y ago

by vlunkr 5y ago

So in the name of being inclusive they're bullying someone who is not a native English speaker for not knowing the nuances of political correctness in a foreign culture? Cool cool.

throwaway894345 5y ago

This happens so often one wonders if "inclusivity" is an actual goal of some of these people, or if it's a sort of an ideological trojan horse.

vlunkr 5y ago
I think about this blog post from the creator of redis whenever some thing like this comes up: http://antirez.com/news/122 http://antirez.com/news/122. > I believe that political correctness has a puritan root. As such it focuses on formalities, but actually it has a real root of prejudice against others.
- throwowow 5y ago
  That's a good post. Heck, our new woke overlords should just put all their SV-billions together in one giant piggy bank and start paying some reparations instead of terrorizing everyone with this political-correctness facade. Now that would be VCs making the world a better place. <3
akomtu 5y ago
I'd argue this isn't exactly a Trojan horse, it's a group of poor looking pilgrims who tell sob stories to the guard and convince them to open the gates.

arp242 5y ago

I wouldn't call it "bullying" myself, but it does seem a bit like making a mountain out of a molehill. A big problem with these kind of discussions is that they tend to escalate quite fast. The battle lines are pre-drawn and anything that looks vaguely "sexist" or vaguely "cancel culture-y" will be shot at, no matter what the actual topic is. So this this (minor) incident becomes yet another front on the Great Culture Wars. It's unfortunate because it's very hard to have good-faith conversations like this.

gwagon 5y ago
So, perhaps people should stop having good faith conversations with them because it has become apparent that you cant. How can you have a good faith convo with someone that is hell bent on undermining anything you say? It's like trying to play a fair game with someone while they're cheating you the entire time. They don't want inclusivity or whatever else they say. They want control and will use whatever guise to get their way.

Zababa 5y ago

Yes. That's what happens when a group of hyper-politicized people that see/read about inclusiveness and things like that every day encounters people that aren't like them. It's nice that some Americans are currently noticing the issues happening in their country, I'm happy that people are committing time and energy to this. But many of these people have to grow up and realize that the whole world isn't the USA, that different countries have different problems and not everyone is aware of what's happening in the USA. Going around imposing your values is the exact opposite of what you should actually do.

TomSwirly 5y ago
> That's what happens when a group of hyper-politicized people Well, maybe you work on undisciplined repositories or technical mailing lists, but most of us do not want to read people's jokes, funny, offensive, or not, when we are on a technical forum. It's really patronizing to say, "Oh, those primitive foreigners, we have to excuse them for posting offensive jokes on a technical forum."
- Zababa 5y ago
  > It's really patronizing to say, "Oh, those primitive foreigners, we have to excuse them for posting offensive jokes on a technical forum." That's patronizing because you're thinking of them as "primitive foreigners that posts offensive jokes", while you could think of them as "different people in a different culture that may not share every values with you". I don't understand why Americans are so afraid of swear words and jokes, but I don't think they are primitive or stupid or too uptight for it, they are just different. Just look at how judging you are: "undisciplind repositories or technical mailing lists". Repositories are undisciplined because there are offensive jokes? Aren't repositories about code? "most of us do not want to read people's jokes, funny, offensive, or not, when we are on a technical forum": who is "us" here? People from the USA? You and an imaginary group of people? The whole world? I certainly don't mind a good joke, and I like some humor that can be considered too much in US culture. Don't just assume that you're in the right and in the position to judge people.
  - 5y ago