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Jolly, what a surprise... This article is just paying lip service to everyone who already feels this is the case (most sane people) and redditors. Just for gath

Jolly, what a surprise... This article is just paying lip service to everyone who already feels this is the case (most sane people) and redditors. Just for gathering some traffic. The real truth is in understanding that this is fundamentally unstoppable within our economic mode of production. No ammount of regulation or de-regulation will prevent a system based on individual profit accumulation from becoming corrupt. You can stop individuals, but the economic incentive will still be there, waiting. Profit means leverage and economic freedom means using that leverage. It's a feature not a bug. Its all corruption and exploitation masquerading as economic freedom and individual freedom, always has been. Liberalism and Convervativism are just the cultural views that carry the ideological justifications for their exploitation (be them progressive, regressive, static or mixed). Really, if we were in their position we'd be doing the same. Which leads into why it is important to fundamentally transform our society.

Clubber 5y ago
Throw people in jail for insider trading. Prosecute it as hard as we prosecute people stealing $2 bags of chips from the grocery store or passing counterfeit $20s. Also, why are government employees accused of malfeasance allowed to quit and not get prosecuted? Why is that even a thing?
- mrpf1ster 5y ago
  Where is the un-corruptible agency that is going to enforce these laws? Someone stealing a bag of chips has no recourse to get out of prosecution. A wealthy insider trader has the resources and influence to reduce or even eliminate any consequences.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    It's supposed to be us, by voting out politicians who are dirty. Unfortunately, most of us have been duped into being on some "team," and are willing to ignore the corruption of one team to feel good about pointing out the corruption of the other. Since there are only 2 teams, this works beautifully for the politicians. It's an endless cycle that needs to be broken, shipped jobs overseas, shrank our already pathetic safety net, gutted middle America, pushed 2 wars and emptied our treasury. Vote out the incumbent every election cycle for 10+ years, and maybe it will fix it.
    - Atlas667 5y ago
      So you believe that if we just vote, the system that the rich have built will fix itself? These flaws are not bugs, these are part of the design. It was never meant to be democracy for the many, it was only democracy for the wealthy. Like the greco-roman model. We need working class democracy, which builds worker oriented hierarchies from neighborhoods upwards. No far away senators that """""represent"""" you. You elect neighbors to represent the interests of the community majority. From neighborhoods to districts, to regions and states. Everyone closely accountable to their base. With full economic transparency, available to all in a public ledger system. But this implies the elimination of private property over socially productive assets. You can't own something if it serves other people. It's not about giving up your house or you car. It's about not owning a pharmaceutical company. Or power line distributions. Or farms. Private property of social assets produces the profit motive and is the root of all economic exploitation
Aunche 5y ago
>The real truth is in understanding that this is fundamentally unstoppable within our economic mode of production. Your favorite economic mode of production has the exact same potential for corruption and exploitation if not more. Wealth isn't the only form of capital. Societies that tried to forcefully eliminate wealth inequality have always ended up with an economy of exchanging favors behind closed doors. This is what gave rise to Guanxi in China, which is why there is so much corruption there. Even after the markers opened up the social capital obligations remained, so the Guanxi economy is self sustaining.
- Atlas667 5y ago
  You claim my favorite mode of production has the same potential, but do not describe what "my favorite" is or how that potential is expressed. But if you believe that, whatever it may be, then how do we get rid of it? Do you not believe those "safety" measures can be implemented into a mode of production? If the monopoly on force is dissolved and the private property of socially productive assets is dissolved. Will it not be in the interest of everyone to organize and stop that corruption and exploitation?

Clubber 5y ago

Throw people in jail for insider trading. Prosecute it as hard as we prosecute people stealing $2 bags of chips from the grocery store or passing counterfeit $20s. Also, why are government employees accused of malfeasance allowed to quit and not get prosecuted? Why is that even a thing?

mrpf1ster 5y ago
Where is the un-corruptible agency that is going to enforce these laws? Someone stealing a bag of chips has no recourse to get out of prosecution. A wealthy insider trader has the resources and influence to reduce or even eliminate any consequences.
- Clubber 5y ago
  It's supposed to be us, by voting out politicians who are dirty. Unfortunately, most of us have been duped into being on some "team," and are willing to ignore the corruption of one team to feel good about pointing out the corruption of the other. Since there are only 2 teams, this works beautifully for the politicians. It's an endless cycle that needs to be broken, shipped jobs overseas, shrank our already pathetic safety net, gutted middle America, pushed 2 wars and emptied our treasury. Vote out the incumbent every election cycle for 10+ years, and maybe it will fix it.
  - Atlas667 5y ago
    So you believe that if we just vote, the system that the rich have built will fix itself? These flaws are not bugs, these are part of the design. It was never meant to be democracy for the many, it was only democracy for the wealthy. Like the greco-roman model. We need working class democracy, which builds worker oriented hierarchies from neighborhoods upwards. No far away senators that """""represent"""" you. You elect neighbors to represent the interests of the community majority. From neighborhoods to districts, to regions and states. Everyone closely accountable to their base. With full economic transparency, available to all in a public ledger system. But this implies the elimination of private property over socially productive assets. You can't own something if it serves other people. It's not about giving up your house or you car. It's about not owning a pharmaceutical company. Or power line distributions. Or farms. Private property of social assets produces the profit motive and is the root of all economic exploitation

Aunche 5y ago

>The real truth is in understanding that this is fundamentally unstoppable within our economic mode of production. Your favorite economic mode of production has the exact same potential for corruption and exploitation if not more. Wealth isn't the only form of capital. Societies that tried to forcefully eliminate wealth inequality have always ended up with an economy of exchanging favors behind closed doors. This is what gave rise to Guanxi in China, which is why there is so much corruption there. Even after the markers opened up the social capital obligations remained, so the Guanxi economy is self sustaining.

Atlas667 5y ago
You claim my favorite mode of production has the same potential, but do not describe what "my favorite" is or how that potential is expressed. But if you believe that, whatever it may be, then how do we get rid of it? Do you not believe those "safety" measures can be implemented into a mode of production? If the monopoly on force is dissolved and the private property of socially productive assets is dissolved. Will it not be in the interest of everyone to organize and stop that corruption and exploitation?