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Just recommend the client you are using?

• colesantiago 5y ago
  Yes, and everyone went back to using WhatsApp as I said, including me. Nobody bothers with Signal and all these other fringe privacy apps or alternatives. That is my point.
  • atatatat 5y ago
    No, nobody in YOUR circle bothers with it. Approaching 50% of mine does. Don't project that laziness onto the entire populace, enabling others to feel comfortable that it's "too hard" to use Signal....that's awful.
    • colesantiago 5y ago
      > Don't project that laziness onto the entire populace, enabling others to feel comfortable that it's "too hard" to use Signal....that's awful. Unfortunately WhatsApp has a lot more staying power and social inertia than you would ever realise, regardless of how large a social circle is, and your anecdote doesn't change that either. Until Signal supports all or most of WhatsApp's features I don't see this changing.
      • approxim8ion 5y ago
        Signal does support most of WhatsApp's features though.
        • colesantiago 5y ago
          Great, so this means I can use Signal to backup my messages on my old iPhone with an iCloud backup to my new phone right?
          • circularfoyers 5y ago
            You can transfer all your messages from your old iPhone to your new one though[1]. [1] https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Backup-and-Restore-Messages https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Ba...
          • approxim8ion 5y ago
            No, supporting most of anything doesn't mean having the one random thing you need as a certainty. But also yes, messages are transferrable.
            • colesantiago 5y ago
              For most, it's also a deal breaker.
      • def_true_false 5y ago
        This didn't age very well.
        • colesantiago 5y ago
          people are still using WhatsApp anyway, thats the whole point.
  • approxim8ion 5y ago
    I've had a lot of success getting people to move over to Signal personally. I have 400ish contacts on WhatsApp, and at least 150 on Signal, from like 5 or 6 before the T&C update from WhatsApp.
    • zaik 5y ago
      It would be a lot better to get people on federating networks like XMPP (the Internet standard for IM) or Matrix (currently has a better iOS client) instead of moving them from one walled garden to another.
      • approxim8ion 5y ago
        I agree it would be a lot better, but 1) I don't have the infrastructure or the time to self host at the moment, and almost none of my contacts have the ability. 2) My XMPP experience (using Conversations and a couple of free servers online) was inconsistent. No attachments were delivered, message storage was limited to the client side, and a few niggles in general. 3) Matrix.org tended to be slow and unreliable for me, definitely more so than Signal. And as mentioned, I can't self-host right now. If I could, I would have moved them to an open network, but for the reasons I mentioned and others, it's just not at the same level of convenience or usability yet. I might be more tolerant of these issues for advocacy's sake, but my contacts certainly wouldn't be.
        • MattJ100 5y ago
          I hear you (and others), which is why we're trying to solve these kinds of barriers to XMPP adoption, with Snikket. It's a preconfigured server that can be self-hosted, or there is a hosted service available (you can migrate between them). Also included in the project are client apps with consistent feature set and behaviours across platforms (currently Android/iOS). This includes things you mentioned such as smooth file sharing, server-side storage, end-to-end encryption, etc. It's still relatively early days for the project (launched last year), but I guess my point is - if the things you listed are all that's holding you back from XMPP, try Snikket and give us some feedback :)