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Exactly this. To say that Netflix is generating traffic pointed at SK broadband would not be fair. Those TCP connections are initiated by the end user. Without

by vlan0 5y ago

Exactly this. To say that Netflix is generating traffic pointed at SK broadband would not be fair. Those TCP connections are initiated by the end user. Without the user requests there would be no traffic. So the philosophical question really becomes, what exactly is the end user buying from their ISP?

zakki 5y ago
the physical access.
- smiley1437 5y ago
  > the physical access. Wouldn't that also include the bandwidth? Meaning, if the customer is already paying for the bandwidth they will consume, why wouldn't that cover bandwidth usage of Netflix content?
- ineedasername 5y ago
  No. That's not what my contract with my ISP says I'm buying. Besides, physical access alone is useless. Unless you're claiming that ISP's have been selling physical access but giving away usage for free? I don't know if that's the intent of your comment, but again it isn't how my ISP words the contract.
  - vlan0 5y ago
    >Unless you're claiming that ISP's have been selling physical access but giving away usage for free? I don't think zakki is too far off from the truth. Looking at Spectrum's Residential Internet Services Agreement, physical access might be what it boils down to. It's a little shocking they can have terms that make no guarantee to any amount of bandwidth at all, even on "their network". I suspect other large ISPs in the US use the same terminology. >Subscriber understands and agrees that Spectrum does not guarantee that any particular amount of bandwidth on the Spectrum network or that any speed or throughput of Subscriber's connection to the Spectrum network will be available to Subscriber. But I think you're correct. Having a physical connection does you no good if it isn't passing packets. https://www.spectrum.com/policies/residential-internet-services-agreement https://www.spectrum.com/policies/residential-internet-servi...
dr-detroit 5y ago
They're gangsters demanding their cut. The ISPs were created with tax money and set up as a public trust then stolen away. At least in my state.

by vlan0 5y ago

zakki 5y ago

the physical access.

smiley1437 5y ago
> the physical access. Wouldn't that also include the bandwidth? Meaning, if the customer is already paying for the bandwidth they will consume, why wouldn't that cover bandwidth usage of Netflix content?
ineedasername 5y ago
No. That's not what my contract with my ISP says I'm buying. Besides, physical access alone is useless. Unless you're claiming that ISP's have been selling physical access but giving away usage for free? I don't know if that's the intent of your comment, but again it isn't how my ISP words the contract.
- vlan0 5y ago
  >Unless you're claiming that ISP's have been selling physical access but giving away usage for free? I don't think zakki is too far off from the truth. Looking at Spectrum's Residential Internet Services Agreement, physical access might be what it boils down to. It's a little shocking they can have terms that make no guarantee to any amount of bandwidth at all, even on "their network". I suspect other large ISPs in the US use the same terminology. >Subscriber understands and agrees that Spectrum does not guarantee that any particular amount of bandwidth on the Spectrum network or that any speed or throughput of Subscriber's connection to the Spectrum network will be available to Subscriber. But I think you're correct. Having a physical connection does you no good if it isn't passing packets. https://www.spectrum.com/policies/residential-internet-services-agreement https://www.spectrum.com/policies/residential-internet-servi...

dr-detroit 5y ago

They're gangsters demanding their cut. The ISPs were created with tax money and set up as a public trust then stolen away. At least in my state.