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If there isn't a "lying flat" movement for social media, there sure should be one. It characterizes my feelings perfectly: I give up on it. Nearing 1 year witho

If there isn't a "lying flat" movement for social media, there sure should be one. It characterizes my feelings perfectly: I give up on it. Nearing 1 year without Facebook, I can confirm it isn't essential and your strongest network connections will contact you if they wish to. If Facebook could exist as it did one decade ago, maybe it'd be different.

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VonGuard 5y ago
100% agree. Leave Facebook and social. IRC is much better. Frankly, context is the issue. My group of friends should not intersect with some other random group of friends. Content should remain within its context. Sharing to everyone is the worst thing possible. It just causes huge conflicts from different contextless people clashing over content the original poster usually considers harmless. Like, if anti-vaxers stayed in their own little groups, it might not be such a problem, but their content gets posted to everyone in everyone's networks, and the meme virus spreads, lacking the important "the people saying these things are fucking idiots" context.
- sk0g 5y ago
  This is pretty much what Google+ had/ failed due to. If only relevant content is shared within a 'circle', people appreciate it, sometimes ignore it, and move on. Consistent controversy and drama is avoided, which just so happens to be a key driver of social media engagement.
- bmarquez 5y ago
  > IRC is much better. IRC is too technical for many people I know, but they are willing to use, or are already using Discord.
  - square_usual 5y ago
    The only problem with Discord is that it is closed. Otherwise, it's a truly excellent platform. In many ways, the problem with Social Networks isn't algorithms or whatever, it's the scale, and being on a small server with at most 50-100 other people is an incredible experience. I've met so many interesting people from around the world who wouldn't have the technical skills to navigate the IRC world, and I didn't have to blow up my brain in the process.
    - kongin 5y ago
      The problem with discord isn't that it's closed, it's that you don't own your own data. The difference between open and closed is meaningless for the cloud. Give me the raw storage used by any piece of software and I can knock out a script that will serve it. Give me any open source network and without the data you have a ghost town no one will use.
      - square_usual 5y ago
        I said closed, not closed source. Closed in the exact sense you are talking about: you don't own your data, you can't transfer in or out with ease, and you can't bring your own user agent without breaking the ToS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform
- sasaf5 5y ago
  IRL is even better :)
dade_ 5y ago
It’s been over 7 years since I deleted my FB and I’ve never had Instagram. Their IP address scopes are blocked in my home. I do miss the now ancient FB, before they destroyed it with algos controlling what I got to see. That is when I got rid of it. Every so often someone will show me some hatred spewing diatribe someone in their family posted, and all the people piling on and I am happy being unaware. I get my quasi-news, conspiracy updates, and assurances that the world is about to end direct from Zerohedge.
- m_ke 5y ago
  Yeah also deleted my account a long time ago and blocked their IPs. Now I just need to get rid of 90% of my code, which uses pytorch, react and react native...
- geoduck14 5y ago
  > I do miss the now ancient FB Do you remember when the bottom had a quote "too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns"? My friends and I wondered what that ment for a long time.
  - smackeyacky 5y ago
    It's a quote from the movie "Top Gun" if that helps.
  - nonameiguess 5y ago
    Was it Facebook? I always remembered OkCupid as having that quote and a bunch of other 80s movie quotes. Aside from being from Top Gun, what it refers to is a principle of fire control of being "danger close," meaning you or other friendlies are within the collateral damage radius of a weapon. When one fighter jet is close enough to an enemy that blowing it out of the sky might also blow themselves out of the sky, they switch to a less destructive weapon with a smaller collateral damage radius. It's sort of interesting to think that something like this meant anything except early web 2.0 pioneers were largely xennials raised on Top Gun, Terminator, and John Hughes movies.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
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dreen 5y ago
Ive quit FB about 10 years ago but Im considering coming back because I keep hearing about the value of Groups. Sure its just mailing groups with UI, but thats where the people seem to be.

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VonGuard 5y ago

100% agree. Leave Facebook and social. IRC is much better. Frankly, context is the issue. My group of friends should not intersect with some other random group of friends. Content should remain within its context. Sharing to everyone is the worst thing possible. It just causes huge conflicts from different contextless people clashing over content the original poster usually considers harmless. Like, if anti-vaxers stayed in their own little groups, it might not be such a problem, but their content gets posted to everyone in everyone's networks, and the meme virus spreads, lacking the important "the people saying these things are fucking idiots" context.

sk0g 5y ago
This is pretty much what Google+ had/ failed due to. If only relevant content is shared within a 'circle', people appreciate it, sometimes ignore it, and move on. Consistent controversy and drama is avoided, which just so happens to be a key driver of social media engagement.
bmarquez 5y ago
> IRC is much better. IRC is too technical for many people I know, but they are willing to use, or are already using Discord.
- square_usual 5y ago
  The only problem with Discord is that it is closed. Otherwise, it's a truly excellent platform. In many ways, the problem with Social Networks isn't algorithms or whatever, it's the scale, and being on a small server with at most 50-100 other people is an incredible experience. I've met so many interesting people from around the world who wouldn't have the technical skills to navigate the IRC world, and I didn't have to blow up my brain in the process.
  - kongin 5y ago
    The problem with discord isn't that it's closed, it's that you don't own your own data. The difference between open and closed is meaningless for the cloud. Give me the raw storage used by any piece of software and I can knock out a script that will serve it. Give me any open source network and without the data you have a ghost town no one will use.
    - square_usual 5y ago
      I said closed, not closed source. Closed in the exact sense you are talking about: you don't own your data, you can't transfer in or out with ease, and you can't bring your own user agent without breaking the ToS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform
sasaf5 5y ago
IRL is even better :)

dade_ 5y ago

It’s been over 7 years since I deleted my FB and I’ve never had Instagram. Their IP address scopes are blocked in my home. I do miss the now ancient FB, before they destroyed it with algos controlling what I got to see. That is when I got rid of it. Every so often someone will show me some hatred spewing diatribe someone in their family posted, and all the people piling on and I am happy being unaware. I get my quasi-news, conspiracy updates, and assurances that the world is about to end direct from Zerohedge.

m_ke 5y ago
Yeah also deleted my account a long time ago and blocked their IPs. Now I just need to get rid of 90% of my code, which uses pytorch, react and react native...
geoduck14 5y ago
> I do miss the now ancient FB Do you remember when the bottom had a quote "too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns"? My friends and I wondered what that ment for a long time.
- smackeyacky 5y ago
  It's a quote from the movie "Top Gun" if that helps.
- nonameiguess 5y ago
  Was it Facebook? I always remembered OkCupid as having that quote and a bunch of other 80s movie quotes. Aside from being from Top Gun, what it refers to is a principle of fire control of being "danger close," meaning you or other friendlies are within the collateral damage radius of a weapon. When one fighter jet is close enough to an enemy that blowing it out of the sky might also blow themselves out of the sky, they switch to a less destructive weapon with a smaller collateral damage radius. It's sort of interesting to think that something like this meant anything except early web 2.0 pioneers were largely xennials raised on Top Gun, Terminator, and John Hughes movies.
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dreen 5y ago

Ive quit FB about 10 years ago but Im considering coming back because I keep hearing about the value of Groups. Sure its just mailing groups with UI, but thats where the people seem to be.