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Because their products are used by over 2 billion people a day and according to their own research it's having a negative impact on a significant chunk of them.

by m_ke 5y ago

cratermoon 5y ago
> according to their own research I mean... you just read Cory's whole story about how maybe Facebook and co. are manipulating the data to make it seem like their product is better than it is, and now you cite Facebook's research saying that Facebook reaches 2 billion people?
- m_ke 5y ago
  They could be off by an order of magnitude and it would still be pretty bad. Here are their official numbers from Q2: https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021_Earnings-Presentation.pdf https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2021/q2...
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    Have you considered the possibility that the numbers they are reporting are accurate but meaningless? What exactly is "reach", anyway?
    - m_ke 5y ago
      They know more about you than your mother, I'm sure they can do a decent job counting the users that they track.
      - readflaggedcomm 5y ago
        By buying data like all the other companies do? Not impressive. They don't track me directly.
        m_ke 5y ago
        Facebook pixels are on like 95% of major websites these days, so unless you block them they have a pretty good profile of your interests. Even if you block them, they definitely have your contact info and a shadow profile for you thanks to your friends, who definitely gave facebook access to their contacts at some point. The contact graph has enough info to help them figure out where you might live, what school you went to and where you worked.
        asdff 5y ago
        If you block them (mozilla fb container is great for this) how do they connect your phone number in your friends phone when the facebook app scrapes it to your internet browsing on a third party site? Where I might live what school I went to and where I work seems like its public information already, maybe in voter registration databases.
        m_ke 5y ago
        1. They probably still track your 3rd party app usage, which is not as easy to block as on the web. 2. Since they have detailed information about your friends the contact graph has enough information to predict your age, probably what your major was, political leanings, etc. Not to mention photos of you that might have been posted by your friends on facebook. 3. They used to buy 3rd party data that they could join on your phone and email address. Sure some HN users might have enough knowhow to block most of their tracking but 99% of facebook users don't.
GoOnThenDoTell 5y ago
I want to see minutes per person
- klyrs 5y ago
  I want to see the number of people who spend 8+ hours per day on the site.

Because their products are used by over 2 billion people a day and according to their own research it's having a negative impact on a significant chunk of them.

by m_ke 5y ago

Because their products are used by over 2 billion people a day and according to their own research it's having a negative impact on a significant chunk of them.

cratermoon 5y ago

> according to their own research I mean... you just read Cory's whole story about how maybe Facebook and co. are manipulating the data to make it seem like their product is better than it is, and now you cite Facebook's research saying that Facebook reaches 2 billion people?

m_ke 5y ago
They could be off by an order of magnitude and it would still be pretty bad. Here are their official numbers from Q2: https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021_Earnings-Presentation.pdf https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2021/q2...
- cratermoon 5y ago
  Have you considered the possibility that the numbers they are reporting are accurate but meaningless? What exactly is "reach", anyway?
  - m_ke 5y ago
    They know more about you than your mother, I'm sure they can do a decent job counting the users that they track.
    - readflaggedcomm 5y ago
      By buying data like all the other companies do? Not impressive. They don't track me directly.
      - m_ke 5y ago
        Facebook pixels are on like 95% of major websites these days, so unless you block them they have a pretty good profile of your interests. Even if you block them, they definitely have your contact info and a shadow profile for you thanks to your friends, who definitely gave facebook access to their contacts at some point. The contact graph has enough info to help them figure out where you might live, what school you went to and where you worked.
        asdff 5y ago
        If you block them (mozilla fb container is great for this) how do they connect your phone number in your friends phone when the facebook app scrapes it to your internet browsing on a third party site? Where I might live what school I went to and where I work seems like its public information already, maybe in voter registration databases.
        m_ke 5y ago
        1. They probably still track your 3rd party app usage, which is not as easy to block as on the web. 2. Since they have detailed information about your friends the contact graph has enough information to predict your age, probably what your major was, political leanings, etc. Not to mention photos of you that might have been posted by your friends on facebook. 3. They used to buy 3rd party data that they could join on your phone and email address. Sure some HN users might have enough knowhow to block most of their tracking but 99% of facebook users don't.

GoOnThenDoTell 5y ago

I want to see minutes per person

klyrs 5y ago
I want to see the number of people who spend 8+ hours per day on the site.