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Let’s do prison reform too then.

gruez 5y ago
Great, now you made the reform 2x harder to pass because now you'd need to get voters on board with prison reform. I'm not sure what the point of "let's give corrupt cops extra-judicial punishment by putting them in dangerous situations, but that's fine because we'll also simultaneously fix the dangerous situation!"
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  1. Doesn’t have to be the same legislation or regulation effort. It’s okay to say “crime penalties shouldn’t be dangerous” as a response to “people who impose penalties on others should be subject to their own penalties” -> “those penalties are dangerous”. 2. Why should I care more about the extrajudicial punishment of cops more than the extrajudicial punishment of the people they abuse? 3. One of the best pieces of political advice I ever got was “demand the impossible”. Anything less is selling short whatever compromise you can achieve and reframing your next attempt. It doesn’t mean you stick to your demand, it just means you start from your principles and adjust from there.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >1. Doesn’t have to be the same legislation or regulation effort. It’s okay to say “crime penalties shouldn’t be dangerous” as a response to “people who impose penalties on others should be subject to their own penalties” -> “those penalties are dangerous”. In other words, you're for extra-judicial punishment? >2. Why should I care more about the extrajudicial punishment of cops more than the extrajudicial punishment of the people they abuse? Because we as a society don't believe in "eye for an eye". >3. One of the best pieces of political advice I ever got was “demand the impossible”. Anything less is selling short whatever compromise you can achieve and reframing your next attempt. It doesn’t mean you stick to your demand, it just means you start from your principles and adjust from there. There's a limit to this, right? If you believe in a full communist revolution, "start from your principles" will get you absolutely nowhere, whereas advocating for some pro-social policies might actually do (eg. medicare expansion, free daycare).
    - eyelidlessness 5y ago
      > In other words, you're for extra-judicial punishment? You’re being a jerk and there’s no reason for me to pretend otherwise for discussion. There’s no reasonable way you could conclude that from the quote you responded to.

Great, now you made the reform 2x harder to pass because now you'd need to get voters on board with prison reform. I'm not sure what the point of "let's give corrupt cops extra-judicial punishment by putting them in dangerous situations, but that's fine because we'll also simultaneously fix the dangerous situation!"

eyelidlessness 5y ago
1. Doesn’t have to be the same legislation or regulation effort. It’s okay to say “crime penalties shouldn’t be dangerous” as a response to “people who impose penalties on others should be subject to their own penalties” -> “those penalties are dangerous”. 2. Why should I care more about the extrajudicial punishment of cops more than the extrajudicial punishment of the people they abuse? 3. One of the best pieces of political advice I ever got was “demand the impossible”. Anything less is selling short whatever compromise you can achieve and reframing your next attempt. It doesn’t mean you stick to your demand, it just means you start from your principles and adjust from there.
- gruez 5y ago
  >1. Doesn’t have to be the same legislation or regulation effort. It’s okay to say “crime penalties shouldn’t be dangerous” as a response to “people who impose penalties on others should be subject to their own penalties” -> “those penalties are dangerous”. In other words, you're for extra-judicial punishment? >2. Why should I care more about the extrajudicial punishment of cops more than the extrajudicial punishment of the people they abuse? Because we as a society don't believe in "eye for an eye". >3. One of the best pieces of political advice I ever got was “demand the impossible”. Anything less is selling short whatever compromise you can achieve and reframing your next attempt. It doesn’t mean you stick to your demand, it just means you start from your principles and adjust from there. There's a limit to this, right? If you believe in a full communist revolution, "start from your principles" will get you absolutely nowhere, whereas advocating for some pro-social policies might actually do (eg. medicare expansion, free daycare).
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    > In other words, you're for extra-judicial punishment? You’re being a jerk and there’s no reason for me to pretend otherwise for discussion. There’s no reasonable way you could conclude that from the quote you responded to.