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> In a statement, the Idaho Springs Police Department said the two officers didn't know Mistic was deaf during the initial encounter and maintained that Mistic

by elihu 5y ago

> In a statement, the Idaho Springs Police Department said the two officers didn't know Mistic was deaf during the initial encounter and maintained that Mistic resisted arrest, causing one of the officers to break his leg. Weird the article mentions this once and doesn't elaborate. I mean, how exactly did the officer break his leg? > Mistic then spent more than four months in jail and says he was repeatedly denied an interpreter. That's horrifying. > Hanning was later charged with third-degree assault and fired from the police force in a separate case in which he allegedly used his Taser on a 75-year-old man, according to The Associated Press. Summers, who used a Taser on Mistic, according to the lawsuit, is still an officer with the Idaho Springs police. Sounds like this sort of thing is a recurring problem.

harikb 5y ago
> Summers, who was in training at the time, > Summers told emergency medical staff called to the scene that Mistic was deaf, but neither officer I can see why some leniency is shown towards the junior one.
- nuclearnice1 5y ago
  When you say some leniency is shown, did anything happen to either one as a consequence of this? From my reading of the article, it doesn’t seem like it.
  - anotherevan 5y ago
    > Hanning was later charged with third-degree assault and fired from the police force in a separate case in which he allegedly used his Taser on a 75-year-old man So not directly, but reading between the lines there is probably something to do with straws and camels going on.
- elihu 5y ago
  ...on the other hand, Summers was also the one who tasered Mistic, according to the article.
farmerstan 5y ago
Denial of an interpreter is a denial of civil rights. The only crime is that the taxpayers will pay the settlement not the police force. We should take all settlements out of the local police Union so that all cops suffer.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  > We should take all settlements out of the local police Union as much as I have disdain for the actions of some police unions, I'd rather legislate bad behavior directly than set precedent for charging unions for members crimes.
- donw 5y ago
  > We should take all settlements out of the local police Union so that all cops suffer. No, we should abolish public-sector unions, which protect bad cops and bad teachers alike. What we should have is a total rework of Federal labor laws, and impose tariffs against any country that doesn't provide equal or better to its workers. Workers should enjoy some level of protection against summary dismissal. This needs to run on a sliding schedule. You should be able to fire new people that can't cut the proverbial, but if somebody's been with you for a year, they are clearly contributing value. Tenured folks can get the axe, of course, but it should be harder. Maybe require a full year to retrain/recover, and failing that, a year of severance. All of this should scale to the size of the company. Starbucks can afford this. Bob's Bait Shack And Discount Virology Research can't. Flatten out personal income tax. You pay 5%, period. Automatic deduction not required, although for practical reasons, it'd need to be the default to start. That gets you however much government it does. "The Rich" don't pay income taxes, so I'm not interested in hearing how this isn't fair. It's way easier to enforce. There's a big trade-off baked in: no more minimum wage. You get paid according to your value. If you're working, the Fed can make up the difference for you, and will levy additional taxes against your employer should they be just trying to milk the public teat. Health insurance should work like it does here in Japan. Regulated market, fallback on the State as an insurer of last resort. No requirement to buy insurance if you don't want to, but if you don't and you get sick, you either pay cash, or you can opt back into the insurance system with full back-payment. This wouldn't be easy. Devil always lies in the details, and it'll take real work to avoid focal points -- e.g., encouraging firing-and-rehiring at 364 days because of 365 day benefits cliff, for example -- but every worker deserves the same level of protection. Of course, this is all sensible shit that tries to solve real problems. So it'll never happen.
dfdz 5y ago
> Mistic resisted arrest, causing one of the officers to break his leg. Weird the article mentions this once and doesn't elaborate. I mean, how exactly did the officer break his leg? I agree. This is a crucial part of the story which should be discussed…
- nuclearnice1 5y ago
  Mr. Mistic’s complaint doesn’t shed much light: > At some time in the process of rushing up to Mr. Mistic, grabbing him, and throwing him to the ground, Defendant Hanning realized that he had caused himself to break his own leg/ankle. > 51. At no time did Mr. Mistic threaten, physically harm, or fight with the officers.
- giardini 5y ago
  There are plenty of ways to break a leg! And police officers aren't a particularly healthy group, tending to be overweight and out of shape. Combine that with a job that involves infrequent but strenuous exertion and you get lots of injuries. I'm certain the broken leg will be discussed but it is likely that the break has nothing to do with any particular action by the deaf person. e.g., my neighbor "broke his leg" a few months ago in the first few minutes of playing soccer with his grandchildren. No contact was required: he slipped while setting up for a kick and broke his fibula.
  - y4mi 5y ago
    Doesn't the sentence say that the victims leg was broken? And their excuse for doing that was "he was resisting arrest"
    - elihu 5y ago
      I didn't realize it, but you're right that "causing an office to break his leg" could be referring to Mistic's leg. The wording is ambiguous, since we don't know if "his" refers to the officer or Mistic. Other articles on this story are saying it's the officer who broke his leg.
ikerdanzel 5y ago
This is why some societies took up long term whole-family assassinations to keep law enforcers in check - the watcher of watchers. In China there were historical precedents with the famous being the first emperor total family wipe out. There was anothe king that got exact his revenge after 10 years serving his captors like a loyal dog - he even sniffed and taste his captor shit to demonstrate how loyal he was. In Asia these are still very kuch in practice where unexplained killings with motif that vindictive action spanning decades rendering no law enforcers dare to investigate or take actions. The closest this is practice in the west would be Israel for the escape Nazi and 70s Olympic massacre. I believe Amernians also have their death angels too.

by elihu 5y ago

harikb 5y ago

> Summers, who was in training at the time, > Summers told emergency medical staff called to the scene that Mistic was deaf, but neither officer I can see why some leniency is shown towards the junior one.

nuclearnice1 5y ago
When you say some leniency is shown, did anything happen to either one as a consequence of this? From my reading of the article, it doesn’t seem like it.
- anotherevan 5y ago
  > Hanning was later charged with third-degree assault and fired from the police force in a separate case in which he allegedly used his Taser on a 75-year-old man So not directly, but reading between the lines there is probably something to do with straws and camels going on.
elihu 5y ago
...on the other hand, Summers was also the one who tasered Mistic, according to the article.

farmerstan 5y ago

Denial of an interpreter is a denial of civil rights. The only crime is that the taxpayers will pay the settlement not the police force. We should take all settlements out of the local police Union so that all cops suffer.

Chris2048 5y ago
> We should take all settlements out of the local police Union as much as I have disdain for the actions of some police unions, I'd rather legislate bad behavior directly than set precedent for charging unions for members crimes.
donw 5y ago
> We should take all settlements out of the local police Union so that all cops suffer. No, we should abolish public-sector unions, which protect bad cops and bad teachers alike. What we should have is a total rework of Federal labor laws, and impose tariffs against any country that doesn't provide equal or better to its workers. Workers should enjoy some level of protection against summary dismissal. This needs to run on a sliding schedule. You should be able to fire new people that can't cut the proverbial, but if somebody's been with you for a year, they are clearly contributing value. Tenured folks can get the axe, of course, but it should be harder. Maybe require a full year to retrain/recover, and failing that, a year of severance. All of this should scale to the size of the company. Starbucks can afford this. Bob's Bait Shack And Discount Virology Research can't. Flatten out personal income tax. You pay 5%, period. Automatic deduction not required, although for practical reasons, it'd need to be the default to start. That gets you however much government it does. "The Rich" don't pay income taxes, so I'm not interested in hearing how this isn't fair. It's way easier to enforce. There's a big trade-off baked in: no more minimum wage. You get paid according to your value. If you're working, the Fed can make up the difference for you, and will levy additional taxes against your employer should they be just trying to milk the public teat. Health insurance should work like it does here in Japan. Regulated market, fallback on the State as an insurer of last resort. No requirement to buy insurance if you don't want to, but if you don't and you get sick, you either pay cash, or you can opt back into the insurance system with full back-payment. This wouldn't be easy. Devil always lies in the details, and it'll take real work to avoid focal points -- e.g., encouraging firing-and-rehiring at 364 days because of 365 day benefits cliff, for example -- but every worker deserves the same level of protection. Of course, this is all sensible shit that tries to solve real problems. So it'll never happen.

dfdz 5y ago

> Mistic resisted arrest, causing one of the officers to break his leg. Weird the article mentions this once and doesn't elaborate. I mean, how exactly did the officer break his leg? I agree. This is a crucial part of the story which should be discussed…

nuclearnice1 5y ago
Mr. Mistic’s complaint doesn’t shed much light: > At some time in the process of rushing up to Mr. Mistic, grabbing him, and throwing him to the ground, Defendant Hanning realized that he had caused himself to break his own leg/ankle. > 51. At no time did Mr. Mistic threaten, physically harm, or fight with the officers.
giardini 5y ago
There are plenty of ways to break a leg! And police officers aren't a particularly healthy group, tending to be overweight and out of shape. Combine that with a job that involves infrequent but strenuous exertion and you get lots of injuries. I'm certain the broken leg will be discussed but it is likely that the break has nothing to do with any particular action by the deaf person. e.g., my neighbor "broke his leg" a few months ago in the first few minutes of playing soccer with his grandchildren. No contact was required: he slipped while setting up for a kick and broke his fibula.
- y4mi 5y ago
  Doesn't the sentence say that the victims leg was broken? And their excuse for doing that was "he was resisting arrest"
  - elihu 5y ago
    I didn't realize it, but you're right that "causing an office to break his leg" could be referring to Mistic's leg. The wording is ambiguous, since we don't know if "his" refers to the officer or Mistic. Other articles on this story are saying it's the officer who broke his leg.

ikerdanzel 5y ago

This is why some societies took up long term whole-family assassinations to keep law enforcers in check - the watcher of watchers. In China there were historical precedents with the famous being the first emperor total family wipe out. There was anothe king that got exact his revenge after 10 years serving his captors like a loyal dog - he even sniffed and taste his captor shit to demonstrate how loyal he was. In Asia these are still very kuch in practice where unexplained killings with motif that vindictive action spanning decades rendering no law enforcers dare to investigate or take actions. The closest this is practice in the west would be Israel for the escape Nazi and 70s Olympic massacre. I believe Amernians also have their death angels too.