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How many articles about police brutality with no punishment by their superiors do you need to start questioning that there might be systemic abuse? The reason

by hobs 5y ago

How many articles about police brutality with no punishment by their superiors do you need to start questioning that there might be systemic abuse? The reason why people say defund the police is because "we'll make it better!" is the same repeated statements that have gone literally nowhere, police abuse continues unchecked to the point where we have to write and publicly humiliate public officials to do their damn jobs.

sayonaraman 5y ago
The only result of “defund the police” movement so far has been an explosion in violent crime. The murder rates skyrocketed in 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.h...
- Afforess 5y ago
  Literally no police departments have been "defunded" yet - even in places where they have been trying, the cuts have not taken effect. Any stats about a rise in crime is very misleading. The cause of the rise in crime is in no way related to systematic policy changes in funding because there have been no changes made.
- KittenInABox 5y ago
  My understanding is that "defund the police" is to advocate that police is no longer the default caller and the default receiver of money when it comes to broad social issues like, say, a mentally ill person acting erratically, or a homeless person is behaving in crisis, or a similar nonviolent occurrence. The money should instead bolster our public health, public education, and social security and child care services. This is in response to the fact that the police broadly get an obscene amount of money and apparently have very little social good to show for it with no accountability.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > My understanding is that "defund the police" is to… It means different things to different people. Some want to literally abolish police, some want to reduce funding.

by hobs 5y ago

sayonaraman 5y ago

The only result of “defund the police” movement so far has been an explosion in violent crime. The murder rates skyrocketed in 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.h...

Afforess 5y ago
Literally no police departments have been "defunded" yet - even in places where they have been trying, the cuts have not taken effect. Any stats about a rise in crime is very misleading. The cause of the rise in crime is in no way related to systematic policy changes in funding because there have been no changes made.
KittenInABox 5y ago
My understanding is that "defund the police" is to advocate that police is no longer the default caller and the default receiver of money when it comes to broad social issues like, say, a mentally ill person acting erratically, or a homeless person is behaving in crisis, or a similar nonviolent occurrence. The money should instead bolster our public health, public education, and social security and child care services. This is in response to the fact that the police broadly get an obscene amount of money and apparently have very little social good to show for it with no accountability.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > My understanding is that "defund the police" is to… It means different things to different people. Some want to literally abolish police, some want to reduce funding.