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To the people who just just know history/world politics things reading: are there any examples of a nation successfully transitioning themselves away from polic

To the people who just just know history/world politics things reading: are there any examples of a nation successfully transitioning themselves away from police brutality against minorities/"undesirables"/those-lacking-general-privilege? What did that transition look like? Places with racial/economic diversity generally similar to the US's are preferred.

iudqnolq 5y ago
I think the US's progress from "the cops set you on fire and smirk about to the press" to "the cops shoot you and pretend they thought your phone was a gun" is significant and informative for what we should do next. You might also be interested in the UK and Germany.
themarbz 5y ago
World War II?
fy20 5y ago
I'm originally from the UK, and now live in a post-Soviet country and I'd say people here are much more accepting of people who are "different". I guess this is partly due to the history of Russia and the USSR, as there was a lot of migration between countries in the past hundred years or so. A lot of my friends who are "native" have grandparents or such from another country. The only case where being "different" may have issues is if you are not straight... but in larger cities now it is usually accepted as long as you don't flaunt it. Two men sharing a hotel room would not raise eyebrows on its own, as people like to travel with friends and like to spend as little money as possible, but if you are affectionate in a bar it's a different story.
Doxin 5y ago
This is anecdotal at best, so take it for what you will, but where I lived the cops used to be much much more violent. Beating up hippies with sticks for shits and giggles and the like. While far from perfect we've managed to get to a state where unprompted beatings like that basically don't happen. And if something like that does happen, it also tends to lead to police officers getting fired. For reference: it's a fireable offence for a police officer to gesture to their gun without cause. The way we got here was by, essentially, an uproar from the public. Action groups would go out and intentionally irritate cops, leading to large scale beatdowns. The public took notice and swayed opinion towards "wtf are these cops doing beating up innocent kids". Now like I said it's far from perfect, there's still a racism problem in our police force, but at least there aren't frequent shootings or beatings of unarmed civilians. Of course direct comparisons make very little sense here, but at least it's one case showing that a reversal of the trend with respect to police violence is a possibility. For more (quite amusing) reading, I can heartily recommend the wikipedia article on the Provo movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement)

iudqnolq 5y ago

I think the US's progress from "the cops set you on fire and smirk about to the press" to "the cops shoot you and pretend they thought your phone was a gun" is significant and informative for what we should do next. You might also be interested in the UK and Germany.

themarbz 5y ago

World War II?

fy20 5y ago

I'm originally from the UK, and now live in a post-Soviet country and I'd say people here are much more accepting of people who are "different". I guess this is partly due to the history of Russia and the USSR, as there was a lot of migration between countries in the past hundred years or so. A lot of my friends who are "native" have grandparents or such from another country. The only case where being "different" may have issues is if you are not straight... but in larger cities now it is usually accepted as long as you don't flaunt it. Two men sharing a hotel room would not raise eyebrows on its own, as people like to travel with friends and like to spend as little money as possible, but if you are affectionate in a bar it's a different story.

Doxin 5y ago

This is anecdotal at best, so take it for what you will, but where I lived the cops used to be much much more violent. Beating up hippies with sticks for shits and giggles and the like. While far from perfect we've managed to get to a state where unprompted beatings like that basically don't happen. And if something like that does happen, it also tends to lead to police officers getting fired. For reference: it's a fireable offence for a police officer to gesture to their gun without cause. The way we got here was by, essentially, an uproar from the public. Action groups would go out and intentionally irritate cops, leading to large scale beatdowns. The public took notice and swayed opinion towards "wtf are these cops doing beating up innocent kids". Now like I said it's far from perfect, there's still a racism problem in our police force, but at least there aren't frequent shootings or beatings of unarmed civilians. Of course direct comparisons make very little sense here, but at least it's one case showing that a reversal of the trend with respect to police violence is a possibility. For more (quite amusing) reading, I can heartily recommend the wikipedia article on the Provo movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement)