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120 years ago my grandmother's deaf uncle was shot dead by New York police. He was running for a train. Now it's tase and jail. I guess that's progress. I'm ju

120 years ago my grandmother's deaf uncle was shot dead by New York police. He was running for a train. Now it's tase and jail. I guess that's progress. I'm just glad I don't live in America.

EastOfTruth 5y ago
There is usually at least 1000 people shot by police each year (edit: in the US)... and that don't include chockings and other murder methods: https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings
- mfgs 5y ago
  There is usually at least 1000 people shot by police each year in the US. All other developed nations have significantly lower rates and incidences of police killings: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/.
  - jcims 5y ago
    There are ~50 officers 'feloniously killed' in the US every year. https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-feloniously-killed https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-feloniou... If you dig around most other nations have substantially lower rates of LEO homicides. Bunch of older stats here https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ph98.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ph98.pdf I think one begets the other in a positive feedback loop that is difficult to break.
- fnord77 5y ago
  many pet dogs get needlessly shot too
  - EastOfTruth 5y ago
    true, but dogs need to be leeched
- flavius29663 5y ago
  Out of which 60-70 are unarmed. I think there are way too many police killings, but we should get the context right
  - alphabettsy 5y ago
    It’s legal to be armed in most jurisdictions. We should be specific about that part too and what does and does not pose a threat.
    - flavius29663 5y ago
      True, but also most major crime cities have gun control laws. I have a feeling most are legit situations, though, not sure if there's a way to find out. Giving probable cause, police will usually interact with you if you're already doing something bad. Now, we need to make the distinction between "didn't stop at the stop sign" and "just robbed a bank with a gun" bad. Robbing a bank should not be a reason to be killed either...unless people lives were at risk. I want to reduce police killings, but not neuter them. If you do, then you end up with powerless police, which will make matters worse for everyone. E.g. murders in Baltimore https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2014 https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2014 Look at total for 2014, 2015 and 2020. Up until 2014 you had less and less, with just 211 in 2014. In 2015 you had 342 and later years about the same. What happened in 2015? Police killed a suspect in custody and protests ensued. Was it right for police to murder a suspect? Surely not...but now you have 100 more people killed each year in the city...600 extra people died in Baltime since those protests. Those policemen got away with no convictions. The police from 2020 are not walking away from cases like that, so my bet is that we will see a worse wave of murders, this time across America.
      - alphabettsy 5y ago
        Maybe lack of trust in police is a fundamental issue that makes it harder for community policing and violence prevention to work?
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  And those numbers might be a significant undercount https://gizmodo.com/most-police-killings-in-the-u-s-arent-officially-count-1847777991 https://gizmodo.com/most-police-killings-in-the-u-s-arent-of...

120 years ago my grandmother's deaf uncle was shot dead by New York police. He was running for a train. Now it's tase and jail. I guess that's progress. I'm just glad I don't live in America.

EastOfTruth 5y ago

There is usually at least 1000 people shot by police each year (edit: in the US)... and that don't include chockings and other murder methods: https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings

mfgs 5y ago
There is usually at least 1000 people shot by police each year in the US. All other developed nations have significantly lower rates and incidences of police killings: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/.
- jcims 5y ago
  There are ~50 officers 'feloniously killed' in the US every year. https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-feloniously-killed https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-feloniou... If you dig around most other nations have substantially lower rates of LEO homicides. Bunch of older stats here https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ph98.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ph98.pdf I think one begets the other in a positive feedback loop that is difficult to break.
fnord77 5y ago
many pet dogs get needlessly shot too
- EastOfTruth 5y ago
  true, but dogs need to be leeched
flavius29663 5y ago
Out of which 60-70 are unarmed. I think there are way too many police killings, but we should get the context right
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  It’s legal to be armed in most jurisdictions. We should be specific about that part too and what does and does not pose a threat.
  - flavius29663 5y ago
    True, but also most major crime cities have gun control laws. I have a feeling most are legit situations, though, not sure if there's a way to find out. Giving probable cause, police will usually interact with you if you're already doing something bad. Now, we need to make the distinction between "didn't stop at the stop sign" and "just robbed a bank with a gun" bad. Robbing a bank should not be a reason to be killed either...unless people lives were at risk. I want to reduce police killings, but not neuter them. If you do, then you end up with powerless police, which will make matters worse for everyone. E.g. murders in Baltimore https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2014 https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2014 Look at total for 2014, 2015 and 2020. Up until 2014 you had less and less, with just 211 in 2014. In 2015 you had 342 and later years about the same. What happened in 2015? Police killed a suspect in custody and protests ensued. Was it right for police to murder a suspect? Surely not...but now you have 100 more people killed each year in the city...600 extra people died in Baltime since those protests. Those policemen got away with no convictions. The police from 2020 are not walking away from cases like that, so my bet is that we will see a worse wave of murders, this time across America.
    - alphabettsy 5y ago
      Maybe lack of trust in police is a fundamental issue that makes it harder for community policing and violence prevention to work?
alphabettsy 5y ago
And those numbers might be a significant undercount https://gizmodo.com/most-police-killings-in-the-u-s-arent-officially-count-1847777991 https://gizmodo.com/most-police-killings-in-the-u-s-arent-of...