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I wasn't aware that Tesla was operating commercial autonomous rideshare in SF. Can you link something? I've seen the FSD beta, but that's neither "L4" (whatever

I wasn't aware that Tesla was operating commercial autonomous rideshare in SF. Can you link something? I've seen the FSD beta, but that's neither "L4" (whatever you think of the SAE levels) nor commercial. This announcement is specifically about safety drivers and commercial operation, because both Cruise and Waymo have been operating non-commercial fleets with safety drivers for awhile now.

gitfan86 5y ago
Tesla is currently in beta everywhere, not just SF. Tesla is taking the path of improving the technology with driver monitoring, rather than focusing on getting a single city to label them as 'L4'
- AlotOfReading 5y ago
  Tesla FSD can't operate without a driver and isn't doing commercial rideshare, so it's not relevant in this discussion of a permit to operate a driverless commercial fleet in SF.
  - gitfan86 5y ago
    George brought it up in the thread and you responded to him. Tesla and Comma.AI are building the exact same technology. Are you saying that we shouldn't discuss these other companies until they have a permit for SF driving?
    - AlotOfReading 5y ago
      George asked why this announcement of the first permit to operate a driverless, commercial fleet is progress, citing Tesla. Unless Tesla has a commercial, driverless fleet somewhere, I'm not sure I understand the objection here. Having the permits to do those things in SF is literally the progress.
      - gitfan86 5y ago
        There isn't an objection. There is a question. Can the public see videos of this? If not, why not?
        AlotOfReading 5y ago
        Waymo has been doing commercial driverless ops in Chandler for 4-5 years now, so you can absolutely see videos of that. You just can't see it in SF because until this announcement no one has had the permit to do it commercially, Tesla included.
        gitfan86 5y ago
        There must have been some sort of testing period and approval process that involved showing the cars are safe? Why can't you see that until after this official announcement?

gitfan86 5y ago

Tesla is currently in beta everywhere, not just SF. Tesla is taking the path of improving the technology with driver monitoring, rather than focusing on getting a single city to label them as 'L4'

AlotOfReading 5y ago
Tesla FSD can't operate without a driver and isn't doing commercial rideshare, so it's not relevant in this discussion of a permit to operate a driverless commercial fleet in SF.
- gitfan86 5y ago
  George brought it up in the thread and you responded to him. Tesla and Comma.AI are building the exact same technology. Are you saying that we shouldn't discuss these other companies until they have a permit for SF driving?
  - AlotOfReading 5y ago
    George asked why this announcement of the first permit to operate a driverless, commercial fleet is progress, citing Tesla. Unless Tesla has a commercial, driverless fleet somewhere, I'm not sure I understand the objection here. Having the permits to do those things in SF is literally the progress.
    - gitfan86 5y ago
      There isn't an objection. There is a question. Can the public see videos of this? If not, why not?
      - AlotOfReading 5y ago
        Waymo has been doing commercial driverless ops in Chandler for 4-5 years now, so you can absolutely see videos of that. You just can't see it in SF because until this announcement no one has had the permit to do it commercially, Tesla included.
        gitfan86 5y ago
        There must have been some sort of testing period and approval process that involved showing the cars are safe? Why can't you see that until after this official announcement?