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How many are constructed to be desirable? Would a nice apartment complex be legal in most jurisdictions? Luckily, the First Nations in Vancouver don't have to w

How many are constructed to be desirable? Would a nice apartment complex be legal in most jurisdictions? Luckily, the First Nations in Vancouver don't have to worry about NIMBYs, so they can show us a good example: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-senakw-in-vancouver-the-squamish-nation-shapes-a-sustainable-village/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-senakw-in-van...

ramesh31 5y ago
20th century history is littered with these types of developments [0]. They all turn out the same way. Decrepit and abandoned within 20 years. No one wants to live like that. Living your life in a 30th story studio apartment is a dystopian nightmare. You are completely disconnected from your environment, and daily needs like grocery shopping, package deliveries, buying furniture, all become herculean tasks. It's why these places very quickly become slums. The only people willing to live like that are those with no other choice. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-h...
- javagram 5y ago
  Your link is to a public housing project. It discusses the reasons why it became a slum, such as white flight and desegregation. Not sure if you have ever lived in an apartment if you think grocery shopping is a “Herculean” task. You just take the elevator and walk a block or two to the grocery store. Furniture is actually easier than in a SFH because you don’t have to struggle to move it up stairs, you just pop it in an elevator. Package deliveries go to a concierge at the front desk rather than being stolen or getting wet on the porch if you’re not home, etc. In general looking at trends of the 1960s to predict behavior today won’t work - there’s been a trend toward reurbanization in the last 30 years and white flight has reversed and been replaced with gentrification. The “slums” are now being pushed into city outskirts and suburbs themselves.
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    Personally, I do see a relationship between crime and people fleeing the cities, for obvious reasons. What is concerning is the increase in homicide rates combined with an epidemic of DAs that refuse to prosecute crimes, all against a backdrop of remote work making outmigration much easier. That may well reverse the gentrification trend and we could see a repeat of the 1970s-1980s.

ramesh31 5y ago

20th century history is littered with these types of developments [0]. They all turn out the same way. Decrepit and abandoned within 20 years. No one wants to live like that. Living your life in a 30th story studio apartment is a dystopian nightmare. You are completely disconnected from your environment, and daily needs like grocery shopping, package deliveries, buying furniture, all become herculean tasks. It's why these places very quickly become slums. The only people willing to live like that are those with no other choice. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-h...

javagram 5y ago
Your link is to a public housing project. It discusses the reasons why it became a slum, such as white flight and desegregation. Not sure if you have ever lived in an apartment if you think grocery shopping is a “Herculean” task. You just take the elevator and walk a block or two to the grocery store. Furniture is actually easier than in a SFH because you don’t have to struggle to move it up stairs, you just pop it in an elevator. Package deliveries go to a concierge at the front desk rather than being stolen or getting wet on the porch if you’re not home, etc. In general looking at trends of the 1960s to predict behavior today won’t work - there’s been a trend toward reurbanization in the last 30 years and white flight has reversed and been replaced with gentrification. The “slums” are now being pushed into city outskirts and suburbs themselves.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  Personally, I do see a relationship between crime and people fleeing the cities, for obvious reasons. What is concerning is the increase in homicide rates combined with an epidemic of DAs that refuse to prosecute crimes, all against a backdrop of remote work making outmigration much easier. That may well reverse the gentrification trend and we could see a repeat of the 1970s-1980s.