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Cruise founder here. This is kind of confusing. Short version: - Cruise permit is for robo-taxi service, available to public (fully driverless, nobody in the c
by kvogt 5y ago
Cruise founder here. This is kind of confusing. Short version:
- Cruise permit is for robo-taxi service, available to public (fully driverless, nobody in the car)
- Waymo permit is for robo-taxi service, available to public (human safety driver behind the wheel at all times)
- Nuro permit is for robo-delivery, available to public (no human passengers)
- guiomie 5y agowill you not have a robo-taxi service with human safety driver at first?
- kvogt 5y agoWe have been running one for employees on and off since 2017.
- vntok 5y agoSo is that a yes or no to parent's question?
- arthurcolle 5y agoHow could you interpret it anything other than a 'yes' ?
- adriand 5y agoActually, answering “yes” to that question would have been extremely confusing given how the question is worded! Which makes the snarky request for a binary response even less reasonable.
- dang 5y agoI take your point but it might not have been snarky - for example, HN has a lot of non-native English speakers and different languages handle affirmation-of-negation very differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes!_We_Have_No_Bananas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes!_We_Have_No_Bananas
- vntok 5y agoRunning a program "for employees" is pretty different than running it "for everyone"
- civilized 5y agoWhy the difference Cruise vs Waymo?
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- unityByFreedom 5y agoIs this because you specifically asked for a driverless permit? From the post, > Cruise has had state authority to test autonomous vehicles on public roads with a safety driver since 2015 and authority to test autonomous vehicles without a driver since October 2020. > Waymo has had state authority to test autonomous vehicles on public roads with a safety driver since 2014 and received a driverless testing permit in October 2018.
- kvogt 5y agoYes. It's a very different permitting process. As you might expect, the bar is very high to jump from driverless testing to operating a driverless service available to the general public. More info at the DMV's website (although it's a lot to digest): https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-deployment-program/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto...
- MichaelZuo 5y agoAre there any extra conditions for the company or for riders? Like pre-vetting, or special responsibilities.
- gitfan86 5y agoWhat happens when the car runs into a problem that it cannot address (Damage to car, blocked by obstacle in road) Does the passenger call you, or are you monitoring the car remotely for problems?
- lanternfish 5y agopresumably all cars are persistently monitored 24/7 anyways.
- RC_ITR 5y agoFeel free to repost this, but here’s what happens in AZ https://youtube.com/watch?v=zdKCQKBvH-A&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=zdKCQKBvH-A&feature=share
- killion 5y agoThanks for the clarification! For the Cruise rides will they be booked through services like Lyft or the Cruise Anywhere app?
- tryitnow 5y agoThanks for the clarification, but is there any public resource I can point people to in order to confirm the difference between Cruise and Waymo permits? I believe you, but skeptics won't be persuaded by "the founder said so on HN".
- ed 5y agoIt's literally the post you're commenting on
- aripickar 5y agoIs there a timeline for when you will be rolling out the availability to ride in one of your vehicles to the general public?
- jacquesm 5y ago'No human passengers' -> except for those in all the other vehicles on the road; for cruise it is 'and the passengers of the vehicle'. On a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that your service won't kill someone?
- raldi 5y agoOn a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that you'll never kill someone while you're driving?
- jacquesm 5y agoPretty good. With well in excess of a million km driven, a valid driving license (something which no software product so far has been able to achieve), zero alcohol, zero drugs and no smartphone to distract me while driving. I see driving as a 'full time occupation'. My vehicle(s) (and that includes by bikes) are kept in tip-top condition, no expense spared, I'm fully aware that it isn't just my life that's on the line. I also have a standing order to my eldest that he is to shred my driving license when I turn 70 no matter how much I protest, and that's only 14 years away. I'm all for self driving cars and I believe they are the future. I also believe they will be a decade or more in the coming and that we need at least one more level-up before AI sofware/hardware combos are solid enough that your typical self-driving solution will outperform an experienced driver.
- jensvdh 5y ago70 isn't too old to drive.
- jacquesm 5y agoNeither is 71, 72, 73, 74 and so on, and then one day you really were too old to drive. In a country where driving is a necessity there is no way around this so you get a lot of people driving who really shouldn't be. To play it safe I've set the limit at 70 for myself because I think that if I don't put a hard line down I will always think 'one more year'. This avoids the gray area entirely, exactly because 70 isn't too old to drive.
- syntaxing 5y agoSuper awesome seeing you on HN! As a previous Cruise employee, genuinely happy for you and the team on this great milestone!
- ra7 5y agoCongrats! Curious why Cruise got a permit to operate only between 10 PM and 6 AM? Is it a DMV decision because you applied for driverless operations or did Cruise specify operating conditions?
- booi 5y agoEasier to dispose of the bodies maybe
- KorematsuFredt 5y agoThis is not reddit or 9gag bro/sis/them/their/nb.
- crakenzak 5y agoYou must be fun at parties.
- devoutsalsa 5y agoI wonder if we'll ever get to the point where robo drivers will report suspiciously shaped carryon items (e.g. "CA-SF-69420 reporting in. passenger spotted carrying human shaped object wrapped in a tarp. bleep bloop."
- Method-X 5y ago10PM to 6AM sounds like a great time for testing a new technology.
- itisit 5y agoSerious question: how much death are you budgeting for over the next 18 months?
- dylan604 5y agowow. just wow. in the words of Archer, "phrasing!!" there's a way to ask a serious question to get a serious answer, and then there's your way.
- itisit 5y agoYes, the direct way. I'm sure it's in the budget. Would love to know the figure.
- dylan604 5y agoWhile I can appreciate that, let me rephrase my post: There's a way of asking a question without being a total dick, and then there's your way. Being direct doesn't mean being an asshat. I have plenty of experience of doing it the wrong way, and yes, I'm suggesting yours is not the right way. Edit: "I'm sure it's in the budget." Actually, I'm guessing this would be covered in the liability insurance. So it's probably a much smaller line item in the budget than you are so dramatically inferring it to be.
- nexuist 5y agoIt's a useless question anyways, because the company gains nothing by "budgeting" for death, and loses everything by settling on a real number. It's like asking Boeing how many families they expect to send payouts to in any given quarter. The only answer is zero, and any answer above zero is itself negligent.
- dylan604 5y agoIt's not exactly useless, as it is a serious business concern. However, asking it the way it has been phrased is useless, as you've stated, stating from the start that you are planning on paying out fees like this is just dumb. It is good business planning to be aware of the fact that it is a >0% chance of unintended bad things happening, so let's take out an insurance policy to cover for that contingency. There's a difference between planning for the fact that an accident is possible vs planning to cause an accident.
- thehappypm 5y agoI’m rooting for you!
- notyourday 5y ago> Cruise founder here. This is kind of confusing. Short version: > - Cruise permit is for robo-taxi service, available to public (fully driverless, nobody in the car) We need to have fewer executives talking about their awesome safe technology and more executives being forced to use their awesome safe technology. It is extremely unfortunate that as the condition of the permit the DMV did not force dogfooding requiring that every executive of a company applying for driverless robo-taxi permit and executives' families, including their children, were mandated to give up their drivers licenses and all other modes of transportation ensuring that those executives and those executives families are the constant test subjects of the technology. Same goes for the likes of Musk.
- leesec 5y agoTho no one is behind the wheel, do you still have people operating the car remotely when there are issues?
- tialaramex 5y agoTwo questions: 1. How do we see this detail about permits, such as for example that Cruise are permitted to have "nobody in the car" while Waymo are required to have "human safety driver behind the wheel at all times") ? 2. Where are Cruise's testimonials etc. for the presumably successful San Francisco non-commercial testing of this "fully driverless, nobody in the car" system you now have commercial deployment for?