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I like a lot apple products and how they achieved popularizing many technologies, being the next one LIDAR but, for the first time ever I feel this is just goin

I like a lot apple products and how they achieved popularizing many technologies, being the next one LIDAR but, for the first time ever I feel this is just going way too far. Sure I want to find my stolen phone even when it is off, but it is way too much loss of freedom having a permanent personal tracker even when the phone is off…

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carom 5y ago
Then just turn it off in Settings.
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  I remember a hack for Webcams that in spite of being turned off a malicious attack handled to spy on the user.
normalocity 5y ago
The ship has long since sailed on this point, powered on or not. There's research that's talked about in the book, "Data and Goliath" that explains how the behavior of people specifically trying to avoid being tracked is sufficiently different from most other people that, even if you turn off your phone (sometimes ESPECIALLY if you turn off your phone) that act can be a behavioral marker used to correlate your activities with other people who do similarly, and your location can be largely deduced by process of elimination anyway. It's a fascinating read.
user-the-name 5y ago
The Find My network is designed so that only you can track your own devices using it, nobody else can.
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  Neither hackers and the NSA right?
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Exactly. It is cryptographically secured.
    - nudpiedo 5y ago
      Tor Network is also encrypted and still there are ways to get the people behind. If the feature is there it will be exploited.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        If you have any information about vulnerabilities in the published specs for the system, do present them.
SilverRed 5y ago
It literally tells you about this right next to the slider to turn off. If you tap the message it lets you turn it off. I see absolutely no issues with this.
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  Sure it won’t be like the Webcams that were possible to spy on, in spite of being turned off?

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carom 5y ago

Then just turn it off in Settings.

nudpiedo 5y ago
I remember a hack for Webcams that in spite of being turned off a malicious attack handled to spy on the user.

normalocity 5y ago

The ship has long since sailed on this point, powered on or not. There's research that's talked about in the book, "Data and Goliath" that explains how the behavior of people specifically trying to avoid being tracked is sufficiently different from most other people that, even if you turn off your phone (sometimes ESPECIALLY if you turn off your phone) that act can be a behavioral marker used to correlate your activities with other people who do similarly, and your location can be largely deduced by process of elimination anyway. It's a fascinating read.

user-the-name 5y ago

The Find My network is designed so that only you can track your own devices using it, nobody else can.

nudpiedo 5y ago
Neither hackers and the NSA right?
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Exactly. It is cryptographically secured.
  - nudpiedo 5y ago
    Tor Network is also encrypted and still there are ways to get the people behind. If the feature is there it will be exploited.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      If you have any information about vulnerabilities in the published specs for the system, do present them.

SilverRed 5y ago

It literally tells you about this right next to the slider to turn off. If you tap the message it lets you turn it off. I see absolutely no issues with this.

nudpiedo 5y ago
Sure it won’t be like the Webcams that were possible to spy on, in spite of being turned off?