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also, there is some serious hypocrisy on the part of RP and his followers. They are libertarians. They are all in on private indivduals and companies having v

by zzzeek 5y ago

also, there is some serious hypocrisy on the part of RP and his followers. They are libertarians. They are all in on private indivduals and companies having very little restriction on their activities, with the notion that "the free market" fixes all problems. So why is it a problem that youtube banned Ron Paul? They can do whatever they want, RP merely needs to find the correct market solution to his problem. There should not be any complaints. Yet we see these "libertarian" followers extremely upset. there's a point here. Which is that "libertarianism" is a fiction. its adherents really want something else, which we often refer to as "freedom for me, but not for thee". they should stop.

mixmastamyk 5y ago
You're making a lot of assumptions about the typical Paul fan, why? Also fallacious to take low-effort drive-by comments and apply them to a whole movement. Have an axe to grind? Most people are dumb (ha hah) so it's easy to make such an argument.
- zzzeek 5y ago
  ive been talking to libertarians all my life, nothing is really assumed here. the "drive by" comment spoke to a very real attitude on the part of "libertarians" that anything they don't like is "communist". this is pretty explicitly present in today's political dialogue. as for my commenting i think it's important that hacker news meets at least a little bit of resistance in its otherwise relentless push towards being a right wing echo chamber.
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Yes, dumb people are everywhere. Sounds like you’re influenced from cable news or social media trolls, more than you realize, however. The doc “the social dilemma” on Netflix is a good intro to the problem. I personally don’t trust the judgment of “us vs them” overt partisans, and think the worst are suffering neuroses. I like a good fraction of Paul’s stuff. Have no need to hear it from youtube.
    - zzzeek 5y ago
      > Sounds like you’re influenced from cable news or social media trolls, more than you realize, however. uh no, from the signs in my own neighborhood proclaiming everything they dont like (yet gladly receive, like medicare) as "socialist" or "communist". I live in a purple district. I have to socialize with people who someday could very easily be burning my house down if they were convinced I was in fact going to war against "their country". We are neighbors with people who are law enforcement, who proudly wear "blue lives matter" garb intermingled with weaponry and show up to Trump rallies as speakers. We go to parties and dinner with these people and have polite and shallow conversations about boating and such which end quickly and back into awkward silence. other neighbors leave their lights on all night as they are afraid of mexican gangs invading their property (we are in New York state). A church features a black lives matter display throughout their lawn, and two doors down is a house with a giant 6x8 foot flag (among many others) waving out into the road of Donald Trump as a flaming skull. it is a very uneasy peace around here. this is not a "only on TV" thing for us here. I am literally afraid to post on more "close to home" sites like Facebook lest the neighbors see them and decide that I'm "antifa" and should be targeted when the revolution is called by their orange leader. so yes im pretty triggered when people throw out terms like "all communists should be killed" in response to something stupid like RP having his precious youtube channel banned.
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        It may be the media affecting them affecting you as well. But this is supposed to be a sanctuary. :smiley: I personally know a lot of folks across the spectrum who are good people with different priorities.

by zzzeek 5y ago

mixmastamyk 5y ago

You're making a lot of assumptions about the typical Paul fan, why? Also fallacious to take low-effort drive-by comments and apply them to a whole movement. Have an axe to grind? Most people are dumb (ha hah) so it's easy to make such an argument.

zzzeek 5y ago
ive been talking to libertarians all my life, nothing is really assumed here. the "drive by" comment spoke to a very real attitude on the part of "libertarians" that anything they don't like is "communist". this is pretty explicitly present in today's political dialogue. as for my commenting i think it's important that hacker news meets at least a little bit of resistance in its otherwise relentless push towards being a right wing echo chamber.
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Yes, dumb people are everywhere. Sounds like you’re influenced from cable news or social media trolls, more than you realize, however. The doc “the social dilemma” on Netflix is a good intro to the problem. I personally don’t trust the judgment of “us vs them” overt partisans, and think the worst are suffering neuroses. I like a good fraction of Paul’s stuff. Have no need to hear it from youtube.
  - zzzeek 5y ago
    > Sounds like you’re influenced from cable news or social media trolls, more than you realize, however. uh no, from the signs in my own neighborhood proclaiming everything they dont like (yet gladly receive, like medicare) as "socialist" or "communist". I live in a purple district. I have to socialize with people who someday could very easily be burning my house down if they were convinced I was in fact going to war against "their country". We are neighbors with people who are law enforcement, who proudly wear "blue lives matter" garb intermingled with weaponry and show up to Trump rallies as speakers. We go to parties and dinner with these people and have polite and shallow conversations about boating and such which end quickly and back into awkward silence. other neighbors leave their lights on all night as they are afraid of mexican gangs invading their property (we are in New York state). A church features a black lives matter display throughout their lawn, and two doors down is a house with a giant 6x8 foot flag (among many others) waving out into the road of Donald Trump as a flaming skull. it is a very uneasy peace around here. this is not a "only on TV" thing for us here. I am literally afraid to post on more "close to home" sites like Facebook lest the neighbors see them and decide that I'm "antifa" and should be targeted when the revolution is called by their orange leader. so yes im pretty triggered when people throw out terms like "all communists should be killed" in response to something stupid like RP having his precious youtube channel banned.
    - mixmastamyk 5y ago
      It may be the media affecting them affecting you as well. But this is supposed to be a sanctuary. :smiley: I personally know a lot of folks across the spectrum who are good people with different priorities.