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Tesla already did it. No one seems to care?

notatoad 5y ago
I don't remember in incident where a Tesla killed a pedestrian? I know Uber did, and now they don't have a self-driving car program anymore. not necessarily causation, but it can't have helped.
- jefftk 5y ago
  > not necessarily causation, but it can't have helped I do think it was causal: when the official report came out it was clear that their system was completely inappropriate for autonomous driving. https://www.jefftk.com/p/uber-self-driving-crash https://www.jefftk.com/p/uber-self-driving-crash
jlmorton 5y ago
Because we don't know if it did it. All we know is that a Tesla was involved with a fatal crash involving a person changing their tire on the Long Island Expressway. [1] There's been no confirmation whether Autopilot was enabled. [1] https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-6127ae797c528ca1d5322efc43439a12 https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-6127ae797c528...
- summerlight 5y ago
  Just in case you're not aware of, Tesla has a long history of fatal cases driven by Autopilot[1] with the first case below: This entire incident occurred without any actual input or action taken by the driver of the Tesla vehicle, except that the driver had his hands on the steering wheel as measured by Tesla’s Autosteer system. Indeed, the Tesla Model X was equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR) which is intended to enable Tesla to collect data and record information from its vehicles and also provides information on various processes of the vehicle’s functioning systems when a crash occurs. The information regarding vehicle speed as extracted from the Tesla Model X provides proof of the foregoing facts[2] [1] https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ [2] https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Tesla-Death.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Te...
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    I think it will matter whether or not the car was operating in FSD or not. People can chalk up AP failures to idiot drivers misusing a feature, and then blame that person. When it's Tesla claiming to be fully in control, that's a different story. Though I guess they're probably not making that claim yet for 'FSD'.

I don't remember in incident where a Tesla killed a pedestrian? I know Uber did, and now they don't have a self-driving car program anymore. not necessarily causation, but it can't have helped.

jefftk 5y ago
> not necessarily causation, but it can't have helped I do think it was causal: when the official report came out it was clear that their system was completely inappropriate for autonomous driving. https://www.jefftk.com/p/uber-self-driving-crash https://www.jefftk.com/p/uber-self-driving-crash

jlmorton 5y ago

Because we don't know if it did it. All we know is that a Tesla was involved with a fatal crash involving a person changing their tire on the Long Island Expressway. [1] There's been no confirmation whether Autopilot was enabled. [1] https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-6127ae797c528ca1d5322efc43439a12 https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-6127ae797c528...

summerlight 5y ago
Just in case you're not aware of, Tesla has a long history of fatal cases driven by Autopilot[1] with the first case below: This entire incident occurred without any actual input or action taken by the driver of the Tesla vehicle, except that the driver had his hands on the steering wheel as measured by Tesla’s Autosteer system. Indeed, the Tesla Model X was equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR) which is intended to enable Tesla to collect data and record information from its vehicles and also provides information on various processes of the vehicle’s functioning systems when a crash occurs. The information regarding vehicle speed as extracted from the Tesla Model X provides proof of the foregoing facts[2] [1] https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ [2] https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Tesla-Death.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Te...
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  I think it will matter whether or not the car was operating in FSD or not. People can chalk up AP failures to idiot drivers misusing a feature, and then blame that person. When it's Tesla claiming to be fully in control, that's a different story. Though I guess they're probably not making that claim yet for 'FSD'.