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Have you watched the footage of the current "beta"? It's a scam. It runs into stationary objects. It drives into oncoming traffic. It runs red lights, makes ill

Have you watched the footage of the current "beta"? It's a scam. It runs into stationary objects. It drives into oncoming traffic. It runs red lights, makes illegal turns, drives straight toward other cars, and can't stay on the road. And that's footage recorded and edited by Tesla's biggest fans. "Full Self Driving" does not exist. Every indication is that it never will. I still can't believe no one's gone to prison over this. Tesla's "self driving" features are probably the biggest fraud in history with a body count to match.

dzader 5y ago
lol
colinmhayes 5y ago
People are terrible at driving. Releasing a half baked product to get data needed to improve it makes complete sense and deserves to be encouraged, even if people die. Because it the end it's likely that many lives will be saved.
- adfrhgeaq5hy 5y ago
  You don't get to smash a 4,000 pound explosive into a preschool because you want to gather data.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    If that data saves more lives it seems like a positive to me.
    - adfrhgeaq5hy 5y ago
      If you ever find yourself in a position of power, please write these thoughts down. The prosecutor will find them helpful. We aren't dealing with hypothetical scenarios here. We are dealing with a real company that is really killing people in cold blood. People do not have the right to kill others because they guesstimate it's worth it. On planet Earth, not planet PH101, that's called murder. And that's being charitable. I don't believe for a second that Tesla's victims are sacrifices for the greater good. Tesla's technology is a dead end and the motivation is pumping the stock price.
TulliusCicero 5y ago
I wouldn't say it's a 'scam' exactly, but 'actually an alpha labeled as beta' is probably accurate.
machinelearning 5y ago
People don’t fully appreciate how different driving in multiple locations/conditions is to a neural network. Since most drivers only operate in certain fixed conditions often (e.g. driving to work or along certain routes during the day/night), people are going to get vastly different experiences of the same software. This is why you get some people claiming FSD beta is a fraud and others claiming that it works well with 0 disengagements 99% of the time. I think their tech is probably a LOT better than what you’re making it out to be but no where close to living up to its promise of full self driving.

dzader 5y ago

lol

colinmhayes 5y ago

People are terrible at driving. Releasing a half baked product to get data needed to improve it makes complete sense and deserves to be encouraged, even if people die. Because it the end it's likely that many lives will be saved.

adfrhgeaq5hy 5y ago
You don't get to smash a 4,000 pound explosive into a preschool because you want to gather data.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  If that data saves more lives it seems like a positive to me.
  - adfrhgeaq5hy 5y ago
    If you ever find yourself in a position of power, please write these thoughts down. The prosecutor will find them helpful. We aren't dealing with hypothetical scenarios here. We are dealing with a real company that is really killing people in cold blood. People do not have the right to kill others because they guesstimate it's worth it. On planet Earth, not planet PH101, that's called murder. And that's being charitable. I don't believe for a second that Tesla's victims are sacrifices for the greater good. Tesla's technology is a dead end and the motivation is pumping the stock price.

TulliusCicero 5y ago

I wouldn't say it's a 'scam' exactly, but 'actually an alpha labeled as beta' is probably accurate.

machinelearning 5y ago

People don’t fully appreciate how different driving in multiple locations/conditions is to a neural network. Since most drivers only operate in certain fixed conditions often (e.g. driving to work or along certain routes during the day/night), people are going to get vastly different experiences of the same software. This is why you get some people claiming FSD beta is a fraud and others claiming that it works well with 0 disengagements 99% of the time. I think their tech is probably a LOT better than what you’re making it out to be but no where close to living up to its promise of full self driving.