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Yeah, I don't like how overcomplicated many products are becoming but even then wouldn't buy a car without at least AC and Bluetooth.

by blfr 5y ago

tristan957 5y ago
You could easily pick up an after market bluetooth-enabled product. A/C is definitely important however.
- tim333 5y ago
  Though A/C doesn't really need much in the way of electronics.
foobarian 5y ago
My must-have now is the backup camera with steering integration. I can hook up a trailer like a god now.
- moffkalast 5y ago
  "Where is your god now?" "Right behind you."
- SamuelAdams 5y ago
  Actually new vehicles are legally required to have backup cameras. At least if they are sold in the US [1]. I would love to see a simple, back to the basics vehicle but there is so much regulation and safety requirements that it is unlikely for any basic vehicle to be sold in the US. [1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/cars-us-now-required-backup-cameras/story?id=54854404 https://abcnews.go.com/US/cars-us-now-required-backup-camera...
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    It's absolutely a good thing that these cameras are required with how many children are run over frequently as drivers reverse their cars.
panax 5y ago
I won't buy a car if it has bluetooth or cellular connectivity, but that is getting harder to find. I want that shit air-gapped. Someday I might have to just rip out the media head and telematics unit after buying it if I can't find one anymore.
- _moof 5y ago
  I'd describe myself as having above-average privacy anxiety but I have to ask, what's the threat model here? I'm way more concerned about ALPRs than I am about Bluetooth or a data connection.
wiz21c 5y ago
interestingly, I go the opposite direction. I try to buy cars without AC (environmental reasons), without electronics (expensive to fix when they fail 'cos the constructor takes a huge premium on these), with the least possible automation ('cos I think these are overpriced)... Basically, the more sophisticated a car is, the higher the risk of failure and thus price to fix the failures. Now, I buy inexpensive cars. Maybe if I go for expensive brands, the risk is less.

Yeah, I don't like how overcomplicated many products are becoming but even then wouldn't buy a car without at least AC and Bluetooth.

by blfr 5y ago

Yeah, I don't like how overcomplicated many products are becoming but even then wouldn't buy a car without at least AC and Bluetooth.

tristan957 5y ago

You could easily pick up an after market bluetooth-enabled product. A/C is definitely important however.

tim333 5y ago
Though A/C doesn't really need much in the way of electronics.

foobarian 5y ago

My must-have now is the backup camera with steering integration. I can hook up a trailer like a god now.

moffkalast 5y ago
"Where is your god now?" "Right behind you."
SamuelAdams 5y ago
Actually new vehicles are legally required to have backup cameras. At least if they are sold in the US [1]. I would love to see a simple, back to the basics vehicle but there is so much regulation and safety requirements that it is unlikely for any basic vehicle to be sold in the US. [1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/cars-us-now-required-backup-cameras/story?id=54854404 https://abcnews.go.com/US/cars-us-now-required-backup-camera...
- SilverRed 5y ago
  It's absolutely a good thing that these cameras are required with how many children are run over frequently as drivers reverse their cars.

panax 5y ago

I won't buy a car if it has bluetooth or cellular connectivity, but that is getting harder to find. I want that shit air-gapped. Someday I might have to just rip out the media head and telematics unit after buying it if I can't find one anymore.

_moof 5y ago
I'd describe myself as having above-average privacy anxiety but I have to ask, what's the threat model here? I'm way more concerned about ALPRs than I am about Bluetooth or a data connection.

wiz21c 5y ago

interestingly, I go the opposite direction. I try to buy cars without AC (environmental reasons), without electronics (expensive to fix when they fail 'cos the constructor takes a huge premium on these), with the least possible automation ('cos I think these are overpriced)... Basically, the more sophisticated a car is, the higher the risk of failure and thus price to fix the failures. Now, I buy inexpensive cars. Maybe if I go for expensive brands, the risk is less.