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Well, for starters, segregating the unvaccinated population into “safe zones” will prevent our healthcare system from being completely destroyed. In Canada, we

Well, for starters, segregating the unvaccinated population into “safe zones” will prevent our healthcare system from being completely destroyed. In Canada, we are seeing children’s surgeries being postponed because their doctors have been called out to help mostly-unvaccinated covid patients. This is insanity. We have solid mathematical proof of an excellent prophylactic against severe sars-cov-2 outcomes. Regardless any unfortunate harm caused by any of the variety of vaccinations that are available, the outcome odds are better than for being virus-naïve and catching covid. A looot of people catching covid are staying sick, feeling foggy and out of breath; a loooot of people with vaccinations get over it right quick. Basic 1+1=2 math IMO.

tinus_hn 5y ago
So the goalposts have moved from protecting the vulnerable from the unvaccinated to the old nanny state protecting people from themselves.
- moistly 5y ago
  No. The state is protecting itself — that is, its healthcare system — from the unvaccinated.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    A common excuse for the same thing. Why wouldn’t this apply to prohibiting fast food or alcohol? The only reasons it’s not used for that is that we’ve had fast food and alcohol forever and nobody would buy the nanny state using that argument.
    - moistly 5y ago
      We do apply it. There are educational advertising programs to influence dietary and drug choices, there are taxes applied to discourage use and offset costs, there are treatment programs, safe injection programs—the government uses all sorts of tools to reduce healthcare costs. Again, it’s not protecting people from themselves, it’s protecting the government from skyrocketing costs. We used to round up lepers and the tuberculosis-inflicted because they were too damn expensive to keep around. Also, whatever whatever is irrelevant to the claims made in GP: basic elementary school math tells you to get vaccinated, mandates or not.
      - tinus_hn 5y ago
        Tell me, how many 13 year olds end up filling these expensive hospital beds due to COVID?

tinus_hn 5y ago

So the goalposts have moved from protecting the vulnerable from the unvaccinated to the old nanny state protecting people from themselves.

moistly 5y ago
No. The state is protecting itself — that is, its healthcare system — from the unvaccinated.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  A common excuse for the same thing. Why wouldn’t this apply to prohibiting fast food or alcohol? The only reasons it’s not used for that is that we’ve had fast food and alcohol forever and nobody would buy the nanny state using that argument.
  - moistly 5y ago
    We do apply it. There are educational advertising programs to influence dietary and drug choices, there are taxes applied to discourage use and offset costs, there are treatment programs, safe injection programs—the government uses all sorts of tools to reduce healthcare costs. Again, it’s not protecting people from themselves, it’s protecting the government from skyrocketing costs. We used to round up lepers and the tuberculosis-inflicted because they were too damn expensive to keep around. Also, whatever whatever is irrelevant to the claims made in GP: basic elementary school math tells you to get vaccinated, mandates or not.
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      Tell me, how many 13 year olds end up filling these expensive hospital beds due to COVID?