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My issue with this is the price. Not because it’s not worth it, but because it means no one outside of hardcore enthusiasts will buy one, that means very little

My issue with this is the price. Not because it’s not worth it, but because it means no one outside of hardcore enthusiasts will buy one, that means very little software will ever be developed for it. Also I find the presence of the floppy drive in 2021 ridiculous. Yes the C65 had one - but that was a prototype machine from 1990 that was never produced. There’s no c65 software available on floppy disk, so no reason this couldn’t have used sdcards instead.

anonymousiam 5y ago
Agree. The price is about double what it should be, and right now it's vaporware.
pgeorgi 5y ago
It seems that there's an SD slot at the front, right below the floppy drive.
- davewongillies 5y ago
  There's actually two, from the specs sheet: * dual SDHC™ card slots
snvzz 5y ago
>price I'd consider buying one at 300€. I'm not even contemplating it at the current price. >floppy ridiculous. I disagree. Floppies are very adequate to this sort of hardware, and an important component of the classic feel. I just wish the drive faced the right side (like a keyboard Amiga) instead. It's not like they have any ports in there. Inserting floppies from the front seems extremely uncomfortable to even think about.
- romwell 5y ago
  Tape drive would have been more appropriate, and more fun though :)
  - snvzz 5y ago
    I suffered enough of that back in my C64 days. Anybody who could afford it did get a floppy drive. I got an Amiga 500 at some point, instead. I still have the hardware and the tapes, so I intend to get everything operational again at some point. It's just in the back of the queue, as I am busy dealing with a lot of "retro" platforms already.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      At the end of the c64 era I had hd. Ran a large bbs. In the beginning of the c64 era a 1541 was more than enough. Using a hard drive for a c64 isn't uncommon.
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  - tssva 5y ago
    Since it is trying to replicate the C65 which came with a floppy, a tape drive wouldn't be more appropriate. Even for the C64 which is more era appropriate depends on where you lived. In the US the vast majority of C64s were used with a floppy drive. Software on tape was difficult to even find at your local computer store.
kwanbix 5y ago
Yeah, 800 euros for something that for me would be to remember my C128 days is too high. I can get a RPi4 for much less and install an emulator. I understand that this is (should?) be better, but still, 800 euros!
jug 5y ago
I’d consider it at €400 (i.e. above a full MiSTer setup price) if it was a well crafted case like this but an Amiga 1200 equivalent with a C64 mode and SD card slot as “floppy”. Something more pragmatic. This one instead reminds me of those Vampire FPGA’s with SAGA graphics mode running on a so called Motorola 68080, that is so niche on a niche system that nothing is developed for it other than tech demos and software compatibility suffers to boot. Then again, I don’t like to complain about these passionate projects! They’re clearly 80’s “dream machines” of sorts. I just think that from a financial/success perspective this may not be where most profit is at.
russdill 5y ago
People want hands on physical hardware. If you just wanted 2021, you could run everything in an emulator. Having a floppy drive is cool and nostalgic.
rbanffy 5y ago
> because it means no one outside of hardcore enthusiasts will buy one I can imagine a version based on an emulation using a small ARM with the same physical keyboard and box, minus (or maybe not) floppy. The board is costly, and they expect to sell a finite number of units, so they need to recover the cost of the plastic injection tooling within that batch. Having future versions based on emulated hardware would open up a market and drive down unit costs to more THEC64 Maxi levels, which would be extremely beneficial. I'm looking forward to more retro machines, even if based on emulators, but with accurate physical reproductions of vintage hardware. For lots of platforms, the physical object is not that important - We have 102/104-key with layouts that replicate most post PC-AT Unix workstations - it's the same layout we use, that the Archimedes and its descendants used, that most SGI's, most HP's and most other post-AT computers used. For those, the most important physical aspects are easy to replicate. If you really want, even a Trinitron tube can be replicated with a flexible OLED display and some bent plastic. For computers like the C-64, 128, 65, Amigas, 8-bit Ataris, ST's, Apple II's, ///s, and earlier Macs, Sun workstations, Lisp machines, Alto's, Lilith's, DECs and others, the illusion will break if you use a PC keyboard and mouse. It'll feel strange.
- gardners 5y ago
  A small ARM cannot emulate the MEGA65's 40MHz CPU or 81MHz pixel-clock VIC-IV video controller, unfortunately.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    I seriously doubt an RPi 4 class multi core device with a GPU can’t do that or, at least, precisely emulate a Commodore 65.
- the_af 5y ago
  > I can imagine a version based on an emulation using a small ARM with the same physical keyboard and box, minus (or maybe not) floppy. For the C64 at least what you describe exists: TheC64 remake by RetroGames. It's exactly that, an ARM chip running VICE inside a case that looks and acts like a C64, complete with working keyboard. I own one and it's pretty cool. Why not a real C64 I hear you ask? Well, real C64 are brittle, require swapping components, and outputting to modern TVs and pen drives requires expensive specialized hardware gadgets and addons anyway. Some hardcore fans do it, but it's not for me -- I just wanted it to work out of the box.
gardners 5y ago
The MEGA65 has dual SD card slots as well as the floppy drive.
buescher 5y ago
Is the floppy drive fast? That would be cool.
orionblastar 5y ago
Why buy a Mega65 when you can emulate it? https://github.com/lgblgblgb/xemu/projects/2 https://github.com/lgblgblgb/xemu/projects/2 The emulator has been used to develop software for it and most stuff is open source or free. Plus C64 software runs on it like the 128 does in a C64 mode.
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anonymousiam 5y ago

Agree. The price is about double what it should be, and right now it's vaporware.

pgeorgi 5y ago

It seems that there's an SD slot at the front, right below the floppy drive.

davewongillies 5y ago
There's actually two, from the specs sheet: * dual SDHC™ card slots

snvzz 5y ago

>price I'd consider buying one at 300€. I'm not even contemplating it at the current price. >floppy ridiculous. I disagree. Floppies are very adequate to this sort of hardware, and an important component of the classic feel. I just wish the drive faced the right side (like a keyboard Amiga) instead. It's not like they have any ports in there. Inserting floppies from the front seems extremely uncomfortable to even think about.

romwell 5y ago
Tape drive would have been more appropriate, and more fun though :)
- snvzz 5y ago
  I suffered enough of that back in my C64 days. Anybody who could afford it did get a floppy drive. I got an Amiga 500 at some point, instead. I still have the hardware and the tapes, so I intend to get everything operational again at some point. It's just in the back of the queue, as I am busy dealing with a lot of "retro" platforms already.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    At the end of the c64 era I had hd. Ran a large bbs. In the beginning of the c64 era a 1541 was more than enough. Using a hard drive for a c64 isn't uncommon.
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- tssva 5y ago
  Since it is trying to replicate the C65 which came with a floppy, a tape drive wouldn't be more appropriate. Even for the C64 which is more era appropriate depends on where you lived. In the US the vast majority of C64s were used with a floppy drive. Software on tape was difficult to even find at your local computer store.

kwanbix 5y ago

Yeah, 800 euros for something that for me would be to remember my C128 days is too high. I can get a RPi4 for much less and install an emulator. I understand that this is (should?) be better, but still, 800 euros!

jug 5y ago

I’d consider it at €400 (i.e. above a full MiSTer setup price) if it was a well crafted case like this but an Amiga 1200 equivalent with a C64 mode and SD card slot as “floppy”. Something more pragmatic. This one instead reminds me of those Vampire FPGA’s with SAGA graphics mode running on a so called Motorola 68080, that is so niche on a niche system that nothing is developed for it other than tech demos and software compatibility suffers to boot. Then again, I don’t like to complain about these passionate projects! They’re clearly 80’s “dream machines” of sorts. I just think that from a financial/success perspective this may not be where most profit is at.

russdill 5y ago

People want hands on physical hardware. If you just wanted 2021, you could run everything in an emulator. Having a floppy drive is cool and nostalgic.

rbanffy 5y ago

> because it means no one outside of hardcore enthusiasts will buy one I can imagine a version based on an emulation using a small ARM with the same physical keyboard and box, minus (or maybe not) floppy. The board is costly, and they expect to sell a finite number of units, so they need to recover the cost of the plastic injection tooling within that batch. Having future versions based on emulated hardware would open up a market and drive down unit costs to more THEC64 Maxi levels, which would be extremely beneficial. I'm looking forward to more retro machines, even if based on emulators, but with accurate physical reproductions of vintage hardware. For lots of platforms, the physical object is not that important - We have 102/104-key with layouts that replicate most post PC-AT Unix workstations - it's the same layout we use, that the Archimedes and its descendants used, that most SGI's, most HP's and most other post-AT computers used. For those, the most important physical aspects are easy to replicate. If you really want, even a Trinitron tube can be replicated with a flexible OLED display and some bent plastic. For computers like the C-64, 128, 65, Amigas, 8-bit Ataris, ST's, Apple II's, ///s, and earlier Macs, Sun workstations, Lisp machines, Alto's, Lilith's, DECs and others, the illusion will break if you use a PC keyboard and mouse. It'll feel strange.

gardners 5y ago
A small ARM cannot emulate the MEGA65's 40MHz CPU or 81MHz pixel-clock VIC-IV video controller, unfortunately.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  I seriously doubt an RPi 4 class multi core device with a GPU can’t do that or, at least, precisely emulate a Commodore 65.
the_af 5y ago
> I can imagine a version based on an emulation using a small ARM with the same physical keyboard and box, minus (or maybe not) floppy. For the C64 at least what you describe exists: TheC64 remake by RetroGames. It's exactly that, an ARM chip running VICE inside a case that looks and acts like a C64, complete with working keyboard. I own one and it's pretty cool. Why not a real C64 I hear you ask? Well, real C64 are brittle, require swapping components, and outputting to modern TVs and pen drives requires expensive specialized hardware gadgets and addons anyway. Some hardcore fans do it, but it's not for me -- I just wanted it to work out of the box.

gardners 5y ago

The MEGA65 has dual SD card slots as well as the floppy drive.

buescher 5y ago

Is the floppy drive fast? That would be cool.

orionblastar 5y ago

Why buy a Mega65 when you can emulate it? https://github.com/lgblgblgb/xemu/projects/2 https://github.com/lgblgblgb/xemu/projects/2 The emulator has been used to develop software for it and most stuff is open source or free. Plus C64 software runs on it like the 128 does in a C64 mode.

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