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I am equally disappointed when I read comments like yours that demand some sort of ideological purity and agreement. How selfish. Meta comments that disparage t

I am equally disappointed when I read comments like yours that demand some sort of ideological purity and agreement. How selfish. Meta comments that disparage the HN community are so weird. This community is made up of a lot of different people with varying perspectives. We should celebrate its diversity.

quitit 5y ago
It's fair game to make commentary about a community when there is obvious, widespread myopia. Also quietly amused by the hypocrisy of your comment.
- Reubachi 5y ago
  Do you know anything about the company behind fairphone? The top voted comments criticizing them all have clearly valid claims. it does not matter if the "ethical" product is good if the company behind them isn't ethical.
  - quitit 5y ago
    You're making the position that everyone should have the same opinion. I'm making the position that cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't productive.
joshuajill 5y ago
My comment is about the focus being almost 100% on user experience, the fair phone is about much more than that. It's exactly the lack of diversity that was bothering me.
- gpt5 5y ago
  The top comment is about them not keeping up with their upgrade parts instead of replacing the phone promise, seems to cover sustainability as well.
  - joshuajill 5y ago
    From what they said in the presentation video QA, they will be keeping that promise.
fouric 5y ago
> Meta comments that disparage the HN community are so weird. I think I can provide an explanation for their increasing popularity: people have figured out that it gives a cheap boost to the "legitimacy" of their comment without adding any actual substance, partially because it stirs a feeling of guilt and wanting to "be better" (either than the rest of HN, or as an individual). Needless to say, it's just another form of emotional manipulation that doesn't add anything to the discussion. The guidelines already discourage this kind of thing: "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
addicted 5y ago
When did thinking about, or factoring sourcing issues, become "ideological purity"? It seems to me that you're arguing the only way to not demand ideological purity is by demanding that the only factor that should be considered is end user experience. Which, ironically, is demanding far more ideological purity than the person you replied to is.

quitit 5y ago

It's fair game to make commentary about a community when there is obvious, widespread myopia. Also quietly amused by the hypocrisy of your comment.

Reubachi 5y ago
Do you know anything about the company behind fairphone? The top voted comments criticizing them all have clearly valid claims. it does not matter if the "ethical" product is good if the company behind them isn't ethical.
- quitit 5y ago
  You're making the position that everyone should have the same opinion. I'm making the position that cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't productive.

joshuajill 5y ago

My comment is about the focus being almost 100% on user experience, the fair phone is about much more than that. It's exactly the lack of diversity that was bothering me.

gpt5 5y ago
The top comment is about them not keeping up with their upgrade parts instead of replacing the phone promise, seems to cover sustainability as well.
- joshuajill 5y ago
  From what they said in the presentation video QA, they will be keeping that promise.

fouric 5y ago

> Meta comments that disparage the HN community are so weird. I think I can provide an explanation for their increasing popularity: people have figured out that it gives a cheap boost to the "legitimacy" of their comment without adding any actual substance, partially because it stirs a feeling of guilt and wanting to "be better" (either than the rest of HN, or as an individual). Needless to say, it's just another form of emotional manipulation that doesn't add anything to the discussion. The guidelines already discourage this kind of thing: "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

addicted 5y ago

When did thinking about, or factoring sourcing issues, become "ideological purity"? It seems to me that you're arguing the only way to not demand ideological purity is by demanding that the only factor that should be considered is end user experience. Which, ironically, is demanding far more ideological purity than the person you replied to is.