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>small a binary kernel as possible, which is what GNU Mes is all about Hurd or seL4...but obviously no one is interested in such an Kernel for servers, mobile
by nix23 5y ago
>small a binary kernel as possible, which is what GNU Mes is all about
Hurd or seL4...but obviously no one is interested in such an Kernel for servers, mobile or the desktop.
From MY perspective, the OSS OS community was in a much healthier state in the ~05's then it is now (Linux, BSD, Solaris, Minix etc) where all maintained and gave plenty of selection of ~OSS operating-systems, now it's just that Linux.
- froh 5y agoHow do you see fuchsia in that list of micro kennels?
- nix23 5y agoNot as a Server/Desktop OS. Both are not intended as a generic OS, but rather specialized solutions..just like for example QNX. Don't get me wrong, i would love being wrong about that.
- froh 5y agoI wonder if ell see a three layer run time going forward. Bottom layer is about hardware partitioning and Ressource sharing. Middle layer is networking, file systems, ACL, monitoring, graphics and other acceleration in a rich os. Or monolithic deterministic real time blobs. Or small dedicated OS partitions for, security or similar hardware jailed applications. Top layer is containers/jails inside the rich OSs. Then fuchsia is a candidate for the bottom layer and for the security OSs and maybe for specialized OCI payloads.
- tut-urut-utut 5y agoWell, that kinda proves that FSF was right. Linus, the only GPL licensed OS of the ones you mentioned, is the only one that survived the test of time.
- pjmlp 5y agoThat is why the Linux Foundation is now pushing Zephyr for IoT, right?
- formerly_proven 5y agoZephyr seems to mostly target Cortex-M-based devices, which can't run Linux in the first place.
- pjmlp 5y agoZephyr is just one among many MIT/BSD/Apache POSIX alternatives to Linux on IoT space, which CPUs it runs on is secondary.
- nix23 5y agoNo one here talks about IoT, i talk about a real OS...you as a Windows person should know the difference ;) Edit: Linux is not a OS but a Kernel...got it? Your should know the difference as a Windows/UNIX person ;)
- pjmlp 5y agoSo when Linux runs on IoT devices it stops being a real OS? Got it. By the way I am a Windows/UNIX person, note the UNIX part.
- nix23 5y ago>That is why the Linux Foundation The FSF is not the Linux Foundation
- nix23 5y agoYes, i think the same about the Kernel/FSF. However i don't care about the license (since i use BSD)
- pjmlp 5y agoThe IoT space is full of POSIX alternatives, all BSD/MIT/Apache licensed, and this is what will eventually drive Linux away from that market. Fucshia is already shipping on the Nest, lets see what happens next.
- bitwize 5y agoNot even Hurd or seL4, but like... some binary runtime environment small enough to be audited at the machine code level, that could bootstrap something bigger, that could bootstrap a tiny simple C compiler, that could bootstrap GCC, that could then be used to bootstrap the most successful GNU kernel, Linux-libre.
- forgotpwd16 5y ago>no one is interested in such an Kernel for servers, mobile or the desktop Excluding Google (Fuschia) and Huawei (HarmonyOS).
- nix23 5y agoBoth are not made for Server or Desktop Systems, one is for IoT possibly Mobile, the other is...well i don't know..freedom from Android..politics?