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I think the comment by Nagle, which indeed seems to include "everything you see" [0], is a bit too extreme. Is water future trash? A piece of rock? Also, how is

by lqet 5y ago

I think the comment by Nagle, which indeed seems to include "everything you see" [0], is a bit too extreme. Is water future trash? A piece of rock? Also, how is "future" defined here? I don't think that a piece of gold will be considered "trash" even in 1,000 years. I think what he means is this: the added manufactured value of any object will degrade over time. [0] https://believermag.com/an-interview-with-robin-nagle/ https://believermag.com/an-interview-with-robin-nagle/

AstralStorm 5y ago
Heck, that corkpull is probably some rather amazing alloy to be recovered and recycled. Of course, it's better to not make or buy useless things rather than recycle them...
beckman466 5y ago
> I think the comment by Nagle, which indeed seems to include "everything you see" [0], is a bit too extreme. i think Pendergrast used the quote to highlight the capitalist dynamic that incentivizes the profit-seeking economy towards creating low-quality single-use industrially-produced products, due to the parasitic economic rents from intellectual property making proper products overly expensive. in other words: the propertied class makes the working class pay double/triple. that and planned obsolescence. that's what i read in this article.
- gumby 5y ago
  Stripped of the class jargon, this could be more simply expressed as “planned obsolescence is the inspiration for the subscription model”
  - beckman466 5y ago
    do you mean 'the subscription model' where giant profit-seeking firms retain full ownership of tech, and who can therefore jack up the price of 'service'/usage at any time? yeah fuck that. i live in an apartment block where i pay €3 for every wash. that's a fucking ripoff. the solution is modular open source hardware and software. seriously, why are you so people to give up all their power? we need to start thinking outside the boundaries of the capitalist profit-motive. to see the devastating impacts of planned obsolescence (e.g. the disgusting amount of e-waste shipped to African countries) and then think we should give more power to corporations is a bit of a mindfuck to me. > Stripped of the class jargon easy to frame or dismiss something as jargon if you're benefitting from the status quo, eh?
gumby 5y ago
In the human environment water certainly is: after use, or after becoming runoff, it needs to be cleaned before being disposed of. And that rock in your backyard is unlikely to be reused in the next owners’ landscaping but rather scraped away with everything else and sent to the landfill. I think the statement is sufficiently applicable that it’s easier to list what is a proportionately small number of exceptions rather than listing the things that match. Even when we look up we need to clean the air.

by lqet 5y ago

AstralStorm 5y ago

Heck, that corkpull is probably some rather amazing alloy to be recovered and recycled. Of course, it's better to not make or buy useless things rather than recycle them...

beckman466 5y ago

> I think the comment by Nagle, which indeed seems to include "everything you see" [0], is a bit too extreme. i think Pendergrast used the quote to highlight the capitalist dynamic that incentivizes the profit-seeking economy towards creating low-quality single-use industrially-produced products, due to the parasitic economic rents from intellectual property making proper products overly expensive. in other words: the propertied class makes the working class pay double/triple. that and planned obsolescence. that's what i read in this article.

gumby 5y ago
Stripped of the class jargon, this could be more simply expressed as “planned obsolescence is the inspiration for the subscription model”
- beckman466 5y ago
  do you mean 'the subscription model' where giant profit-seeking firms retain full ownership of tech, and who can therefore jack up the price of 'service'/usage at any time? yeah fuck that. i live in an apartment block where i pay €3 for every wash. that's a fucking ripoff. the solution is modular open source hardware and software. seriously, why are you so people to give up all their power? we need to start thinking outside the boundaries of the capitalist profit-motive. to see the devastating impacts of planned obsolescence (e.g. the disgusting amount of e-waste shipped to African countries) and then think we should give more power to corporations is a bit of a mindfuck to me. > Stripped of the class jargon easy to frame or dismiss something as jargon if you're benefitting from the status quo, eh?

gumby 5y ago

In the human environment water certainly is: after use, or after becoming runoff, it needs to be cleaned before being disposed of. And that rock in your backyard is unlikely to be reused in the next owners’ landscaping but rather scraped away with everything else and sent to the landfill. I think the statement is sufficiently applicable that it’s easier to list what is a proportionately small number of exceptions rather than listing the things that match. Even when we look up we need to clean the air.