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Why are you blurring the previous row? Why are you disabling scrolling? These are hostile to the user.

by soheil 5y ago

capableweb 5y ago
Scrolling is disabled because this is not a website for mouse control, it's explicitly made for keyboards. You can notice this by the application not having any mouse controls at all, no links and so on. It's not user hostile if the goal is keyboard controls.
- soheil 5y ago
  There is no reason to disable scrolling even if the primary interactions are supposed to happen with keyboard. I don’t want to remember which websites allow scrolling and which don’t.
  - vonadz 5y ago
    I'd say there is a point. With disabled scrolling you can guarantee that the "cursor" will always be on the screen. With scrolling enabled, you could out scroll the selection, making for worse UI experience. I'm also not a fan of blurring the previous article, but I guess they chose to do it to put focus on your current selection.
- pritambarhate 5y ago
  It's an informative website. This is bad UX for an informative site. Sure it can support keyboard shortcuts for additional fast access. It will be better for power users. But disabling scrolling with mouse and touchpad is hostile and counter productive to the casual users who might be interested in the content.
  - vonadz 5y ago
    It appears the whole point of this site is the keyboard navigation. If you don't like it, just use Hacker News.
    - pritambarhate 5y ago
      Yes, but "enabling keyboard navigation" shouldn't mean disabling mouse based navigation. There are multiple people on this thread who are confused because of disabled scrolling which shows that it's bad UX. > If you don't like it, just use Hacker News. Yes, I will not be using this site. Just giving my feedback and opinion on the UX just like you.
      - capableweb 5y ago
        > Yes, but "enabling keyboard navigation" shouldn't mean disabling mouse based navigation If someone shows me a project for keyboard navigation, I won't complain that there is no mouse navigation, as that would go against the very nature of the project. > Yes, I will not be using this site. Just giving my feedback and opinion on the UX just like you. But you're not actually giving any useful feedback on the UX the person has implemented, you're giving feedback towards some UX that doesn't exist and won't exist as it's outside the scope of the project. It's like someone showing you that they built a car for themselves, and your first comment is "but does it float in the sea?". No, of course it doesn't float, it's not a boat. How is that useful feedback to this project?
        soheil 5y ago
        > some UX that doesn't exist and won't exist as it's outside the scope of the project It seems to me removing scrolling is actually work as opposed to just letting the default behavior of the browser to prevail. I'm not saying there is no point in having a site with keyboard navigation as the primary mode of interaction. It's just that when you go out of your way to remove something that should be supported natively you're scope creeping. If losing selection highlight is a problem just disable that feature only why mess with scrolling?
        laumars 5y ago
        I think you’re being a little defensive. People might like the graphical design but not the control scheme. In that case I think it’s fair to say that. Sure it might intended as a keyboard site but that doesn’t mean the author couldn’t enhance in that, even pivot, if he wanted to. To use your boat example: there is no point trying to sell kit cars if people are only interested in buying boats. Ok, this is a pet project so the author might have no intention of taking his design and trying to monetise it. But as long as feedback is civil I can’t see why opposing opinions can’t be shared (and ignored if the author so chooses). I know on my personal projects, comments that seem to miss the point often then inspire me to create new things. So I’m always interest in any feedback. Just as long as it’s not people moaning about the name lol
  - bennyp101 5y ago
    It is an implementation of HN that is for keyboard use - how is that hostile to people who want to use a mouse? Use HN, or any of the 100's of clones/implementations that exist. This whole "user hostile" thing is getting boring, not everything has to cater for everyone and their desires. This is a pet project being shown off for keyboard navigation - there is nothing "hostile" about that. At all.

Why are you blurring the previous row? Why are you disabling scrolling? These are hostile to the user.

by soheil 5y ago

Why are you blurring the previous row? Why are you disabling scrolling? These are hostile to the user.

Scrolling is disabled because this is not a website for mouse control, it's explicitly made for keyboards. You can notice this by the application not having any mouse controls at all, no links and so on. It's not user hostile if the goal is keyboard controls.

soheil 5y ago
There is no reason to disable scrolling even if the primary interactions are supposed to happen with keyboard. I don’t want to remember which websites allow scrolling and which don’t.
- vonadz 5y ago
  I'd say there is a point. With disabled scrolling you can guarantee that the "cursor" will always be on the screen. With scrolling enabled, you could out scroll the selection, making for worse UI experience. I'm also not a fan of blurring the previous article, but I guess they chose to do it to put focus on your current selection.
pritambarhate 5y ago
It's an informative website. This is bad UX for an informative site. Sure it can support keyboard shortcuts for additional fast access. It will be better for power users. But disabling scrolling with mouse and touchpad is hostile and counter productive to the casual users who might be interested in the content.
- vonadz 5y ago
  It appears the whole point of this site is the keyboard navigation. If you don't like it, just use Hacker News.
  - pritambarhate 5y ago
    Yes, but "enabling keyboard navigation" shouldn't mean disabling mouse based navigation. There are multiple people on this thread who are confused because of disabled scrolling which shows that it's bad UX. > If you don't like it, just use Hacker News. Yes, I will not be using this site. Just giving my feedback and opinion on the UX just like you.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      > Yes, but "enabling keyboard navigation" shouldn't mean disabling mouse based navigation If someone shows me a project for keyboard navigation, I won't complain that there is no mouse navigation, as that would go against the very nature of the project. > Yes, I will not be using this site. Just giving my feedback and opinion on the UX just like you. But you're not actually giving any useful feedback on the UX the person has implemented, you're giving feedback towards some UX that doesn't exist and won't exist as it's outside the scope of the project. It's like someone showing you that they built a car for themselves, and your first comment is "but does it float in the sea?". No, of course it doesn't float, it's not a boat. How is that useful feedback to this project?
      - soheil 5y ago
        > some UX that doesn't exist and won't exist as it's outside the scope of the project It seems to me removing scrolling is actually work as opposed to just letting the default behavior of the browser to prevail. I'm not saying there is no point in having a site with keyboard navigation as the primary mode of interaction. It's just that when you go out of your way to remove something that should be supported natively you're scope creeping. If losing selection highlight is a problem just disable that feature only why mess with scrolling?
      - laumars 5y ago
        I think you’re being a little defensive. People might like the graphical design but not the control scheme. In that case I think it’s fair to say that. Sure it might intended as a keyboard site but that doesn’t mean the author couldn’t enhance in that, even pivot, if he wanted to. To use your boat example: there is no point trying to sell kit cars if people are only interested in buying boats. Ok, this is a pet project so the author might have no intention of taking his design and trying to monetise it. But as long as feedback is civil I can’t see why opposing opinions can’t be shared (and ignored if the author so chooses). I know on my personal projects, comments that seem to miss the point often then inspire me to create new things. So I’m always interest in any feedback. Just as long as it’s not people moaning about the name lol
- bennyp101 5y ago
  It is an implementation of HN that is for keyboard use - how is that hostile to people who want to use a mouse? Use HN, or any of the 100's of clones/implementations that exist. This whole "user hostile" thing is getting boring, not everything has to cater for everyone and their desires. This is a pet project being shown off for keyboard navigation - there is nothing "hostile" about that. At all.