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Right now that might be the case, but epik has a long history which predates that reputation. Most of their customers are probably from before they were associa

by FDSGSG 5y ago

Right now that might be the case, but epik has a long history which predates that reputation. Most of their customers are probably from before they were associated with the "vile" stuff.

kiawe_fire 5y ago
Moreover, we live in a time where simple guilt by association and even asking simple counter narrative, science-driven questions is enough to get one blocked from all other mainstream registrars and hosts. There aren’t many other options that I’m aware of. So, it’s entirely possible even new customers have joined for lack of other options. I’ve resisted using them, and this incident vindicates why I’ve been hesitant to, but that still leaves me with no options for safely hosting thought that’s against authoritarian-approved narratives. Once again, nuance seems dead, with no place for free thinkers in the middle between the extremes.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  > we live in a time where simple guilt by association and even asking simple counter narrative, science-driven questions is enough to get one blocked from all other mainstream registrars and hosts. No, we don't. You get blocked from mainstream registrars by spreading hate and making the excuse that this is somehow "counter narrative, science-driven questions", but you know very well that that is not being honest.
  - keneda7 5y ago
    I disagree. You get blocked for going against anything one political side says. Just because one political side does not agree with something does not make it hate. Trying to claim discussing medicine side effects is hate is absurd. Trying to claim discussing off label medicine use is hate is absurd. Both are things mainstream registrars will ban you for. You are implying all sites hosted on Epik are hateful. This is simply not the case. There are plenty of non-hateful reasons someone may have chosen Epik. Science requires discussion and testing of theories and hypothesis. You then use the data you observe in testing to reach you conclusions. Sometimes your initial hypothesis is supported, sometimes its not. Shutting down all discussion before any data is collected is not science, its anti-science in fact. It is like half the world forgot this.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Those are not hate, they are just things that kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. I'm pretty happy you're getting booted for doing things that are that fucking dangerous and damaging. Stop doing them.
      - kiawe_fire 5y ago
        The counter narrative is rarely banned because the in-power authorities openly say “you expressed dissent against our official narrative”. It’s almost always done “to protect people”. Although it seems your criteria has already quickly expanded from “hate speech” to also “dangerous and damaging speech”, I’m curious at what point you would become concerned yourself? Is your only criteria for when the line is crossed an open admission by those in charge that they are enforcing one political side over another, with no attached moral justification? What if someone you respected in your personal life were suddenly deplatformed? What if, tomorrow morning, you personally experienced and verified something to be untrue that today, based on the current narrative, you believe to be true (and therefore “fucking dangerous” if opposed)? If I’m wrong, and truly only the most vile of speech is being (justifiably) removed, then what circumstances would have to change for you to share my concern? I’m not being rhetorical or facetious, I’m generally interested in hearing where the line is for you.
      - keneda7 5y ago
        So you have now expanded your criteria. I'm guessing it will never stop expanding. Smoking kills 30k or so from second hand smoke alone each year. Why are all smoking company's not banned. Heart disease is the leading cause of all death in the US, why are sugar companies or site normalizing being obese not banned? Medical malpractice is believed to kill over 200k a year, why are doctors not banned? You are happy anything you disagree with gets banned. What happens when your side loses power and the opposition decides to ban you as they deem you dangerous and damaging. I would assume you are going to turn yourself in to be disposed of? Edit: You claim doing science is dangerous and damaging and will kill 10s of thousands of people. So how did the vaccine get made? Magic?
  - caeril 5y ago
    > You get blocked from mainstream registrars by spreading hate Not really. The internet appears to have a two-caste system: 1. Facebook, Twitter, etc. Twitter hosts plenty of hate, but because they have a "policy" (regardless of its actual effectiveness), they're good. Facebook allows mass murderers to livestream their killing sprees, and their subsidiary, Instagram, literally hosts open-air sex slave markets. But because they have a(n ineffective) policy against these things, they're fine. 2. Gab, Parler, Bitchute, etc. These platforms also host hate. But because they have a policy that embraces free speech, they have significant deplatforming issues. It's important to note that in our current caste system, it doesn't matter what you ACTUALLY DO. It only matters what your policy is, regardless of whether you enforce that policy or not.

by FDSGSG 5y ago

Right now that might be the case, but epik has a long history which predates that reputation. Most of their customers are probably from before they were associated with the "vile" stuff.

kiawe_fire 5y ago

Moreover, we live in a time where simple guilt by association and even asking simple counter narrative, science-driven questions is enough to get one blocked from all other mainstream registrars and hosts. There aren’t many other options that I’m aware of. So, it’s entirely possible even new customers have joined for lack of other options. I’ve resisted using them, and this incident vindicates why I’ve been hesitant to, but that still leaves me with no options for safely hosting thought that’s against authoritarian-approved narratives. Once again, nuance seems dead, with no place for free thinkers in the middle between the extremes.

user-the-name 5y ago
> we live in a time where simple guilt by association and even asking simple counter narrative, science-driven questions is enough to get one blocked from all other mainstream registrars and hosts. No, we don't. You get blocked from mainstream registrars by spreading hate and making the excuse that this is somehow "counter narrative, science-driven questions", but you know very well that that is not being honest.
- keneda7 5y ago
  I disagree. You get blocked for going against anything one political side says. Just because one political side does not agree with something does not make it hate. Trying to claim discussing medicine side effects is hate is absurd. Trying to claim discussing off label medicine use is hate is absurd. Both are things mainstream registrars will ban you for. You are implying all sites hosted on Epik are hateful. This is simply not the case. There are plenty of non-hateful reasons someone may have chosen Epik. Science requires discussion and testing of theories and hypothesis. You then use the data you observe in testing to reach you conclusions. Sometimes your initial hypothesis is supported, sometimes its not. Shutting down all discussion before any data is collected is not science, its anti-science in fact. It is like half the world forgot this.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Those are not hate, they are just things that kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. I'm pretty happy you're getting booted for doing things that are that fucking dangerous and damaging. Stop doing them.
    - kiawe_fire 5y ago
      The counter narrative is rarely banned because the in-power authorities openly say “you expressed dissent against our official narrative”. It’s almost always done “to protect people”. Although it seems your criteria has already quickly expanded from “hate speech” to also “dangerous and damaging speech”, I’m curious at what point you would become concerned yourself? Is your only criteria for when the line is crossed an open admission by those in charge that they are enforcing one political side over another, with no attached moral justification? What if someone you respected in your personal life were suddenly deplatformed? What if, tomorrow morning, you personally experienced and verified something to be untrue that today, based on the current narrative, you believe to be true (and therefore “fucking dangerous” if opposed)? If I’m wrong, and truly only the most vile of speech is being (justifiably) removed, then what circumstances would have to change for you to share my concern? I’m not being rhetorical or facetious, I’m generally interested in hearing where the line is for you.
    - keneda7 5y ago
      So you have now expanded your criteria. I'm guessing it will never stop expanding. Smoking kills 30k or so from second hand smoke alone each year. Why are all smoking company's not banned. Heart disease is the leading cause of all death in the US, why are sugar companies or site normalizing being obese not banned? Medical malpractice is believed to kill over 200k a year, why are doctors not banned? You are happy anything you disagree with gets banned. What happens when your side loses power and the opposition decides to ban you as they deem you dangerous and damaging. I would assume you are going to turn yourself in to be disposed of? Edit: You claim doing science is dangerous and damaging and will kill 10s of thousands of people. So how did the vaccine get made? Magic?
- caeril 5y ago
  > You get blocked from mainstream registrars by spreading hate Not really. The internet appears to have a two-caste system: 1. Facebook, Twitter, etc. Twitter hosts plenty of hate, but because they have a "policy" (regardless of its actual effectiveness), they're good. Facebook allows mass murderers to livestream their killing sprees, and their subsidiary, Instagram, literally hosts open-air sex slave markets. But because they have a(n ineffective) policy against these things, they're fine. 2. Gab, Parler, Bitchute, etc. These platforms also host hate. But because they have a policy that embraces free speech, they have significant deplatforming issues. It's important to note that in our current caste system, it doesn't matter what you ACTUALLY DO. It only matters what your policy is, regardless of whether you enforce that policy or not.