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The UK vaxx rate goes above 90% in high risk older populations. Note how 1,565 of the 1613 vaxx deaths are in the >50 age group. Simplifying a bit, the absolute

The UK vaxx rate goes above 90% in high risk older populations. Note how 1,565 of the 1613 vaxx deaths are in the >50 age group. Simplifying a bit, the absolute numbers indicate: * The death rate in >50 and vaxx population is 5x smaller than the death rate in >50 and unvaxx population. * The death rate in <50 population is an order of magnitude smaller, with a negligible impact when naively computing age-independent rates. There is a report I also linked in my other comment that computes rates by age group. See tables at pages 13-16 and charts at pages 17-18. What I cannot wrap my head around is that covid case rates for >40 age group are higher among vaxxed than unvaxxed, and 30-39 roughly on par. Only in <30 there is a significant 2x-5x reduction in the number of cases. Weren't the vaccines supposed to be effective in preventing infection? Prediction: As time moves on, we're going to see the definition of 'fully vaccinated' shifting from 2 to 2 + k boosters, and we're going to pretend that 2 + k - 1 boosters are 'unvaccinated'. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

hndamien 5y ago
My understanding was that they were supposed to be effective in preventing hospitalisation, not infection.
- angelzen 5y ago
  There is a worrying strain of scapegoating lurking around, asserting that unvaxxed are infecting us all, and/or are a reservoir of dangerous mutations. There are ruthless politicians perpetuating such messaging and enacting discriminatory policies based on vaxx/unvaxxed status. If the UK data shows that vaxx/unvaxx makes little difference in infection rates, then the scapegoating is Not Good.
- LifeIsThermal 5y ago
  The 95% efficacy for Pfizer was for infection prevention. Hospitalisation in younger than 65 is extremely rare, so in this group the vaccine have practically no effect. The data from Israel even indicates a slightly higher rate of hospitalisation among vaccinated in this group. At least that was the case a couple of months ago.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    The UK report also says on page 6: "With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty" which corroborates with your information, 80% vs 95% but same ballpark. And yet their data later in the report seems to contradict the vaccine effectiveness against infection numbers. They seem to know what they are talking about, I wish they had addressed this apparent contradiction in the report itself.
jobigoud 5y ago
It would be interesting to know the rate of infected but not counted, and death attributed to something else, in both cases. There could be a correlation where people that don't trust the vaccine also tend to not trust the hospital or medical professional and end up infected but not registered. And the opposite, people wanting to get vaccinated being more likely to get tested at any symptom.

hndamien 5y ago

My understanding was that they were supposed to be effective in preventing hospitalisation, not infection.

angelzen 5y ago
There is a worrying strain of scapegoating lurking around, asserting that unvaxxed are infecting us all, and/or are a reservoir of dangerous mutations. There are ruthless politicians perpetuating such messaging and enacting discriminatory policies based on vaxx/unvaxxed status. If the UK data shows that vaxx/unvaxx makes little difference in infection rates, then the scapegoating is Not Good.
LifeIsThermal 5y ago
The 95% efficacy for Pfizer was for infection prevention. Hospitalisation in younger than 65 is extremely rare, so in this group the vaccine have practically no effect. The data from Israel even indicates a slightly higher rate of hospitalisation among vaccinated in this group. At least that was the case a couple of months ago.
- angelzen 5y ago
  The UK report also says on page 6: "With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty" which corroborates with your information, 80% vs 95% but same ballpark. And yet their data later in the report seems to contradict the vaccine effectiveness against infection numbers. They seem to know what they are talking about, I wish they had addressed this apparent contradiction in the report itself.

jobigoud 5y ago

It would be interesting to know the rate of infected but not counted, and death attributed to something else, in both cases. There could be a correlation where people that don't trust the vaccine also tend to not trust the hospital or medical professional and end up infected but not registered. And the opposite, people wanting to get vaccinated being more likely to get tested at any symptom.