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Besides Cloudflare's pedigree and CDN reach, is there any other reason this is considered revolutionary when, say, Wasabi [0] already exists with the same no-e

Besides Cloudflare's pedigree and CDN reach, is there any other reason this is considered revolutionary when, say, Wasabi [0] already exists with the same no-egress-charges pricing model? I'm not affiliated with either company, just trying to get a handle on the hype. [0] https://wasabi.com/ https://wasabi.com/

dannyw 5y ago
Wasabi limits egress to your total storage.
celsoazevedo 5y ago
> For example, if you store 100 TB with Wasabi and download (egress) 100 TB or less within a monthly billing cycle, then your storage use case is a good fit for our policy. If your monthly downloads exceed 100 TB, then your use case is not a good fit. > If your use case exceeds the guidelines of our free egress policy on a regular basis, we reserve the right to limit or suspend your service. https://wasabi.com/paygo-pricing-faq/#free-egress-policy https://wasabi.com/paygo-pricing-faq/#free-egress-policy
- duskwuff 5y ago
  In short, they're a backup/archival service, not a general-purpose object store. Egress is free because you're expected to use it infrequently.
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    Yes. But I guess it can also be used like a general-purpose object store, we just have to pay them for the bandwidth used or have a CDN in front to cache stuff.
    - duskwuff 5y ago
      No, I really don't think it can. Literally nothing in the marketing copy describes this use case -- it's all about backup/archival use applications. And the bit in the TOS you quoted makes it clear that Wasabi isn't interested in high-bandwidth customers at any price point. Even with a good caching CDN, most public applications won't be able to hit the "egress < storage" target that Wasabi expects.
NicoJuicy 5y ago
Pricing of wasabi is valid for 3 months. So store 1PB for an hour, pay for it for 3 months. Also egress is not always free. Depends on how much you need the data to be in the free tier. Source: already discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28685542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28685542
prirun 5y ago
They also have a $6 minimum/mo, even if you are not using any storage. https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002374231-I-don-t-have-any-active-storage-with-Wasabi-why-am-I-still-being-charged- https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/3600023... They also have a minimum object size of 4K: "If you use Wasabi to store files that are less than 4 kilobytes (KB) in size, you should be aware that Wasabi’s minimum file size from a charging perspective is 4 KB. You can store files smaller than 4 KB with Wasabi but (for example), if you store a 2 KB file with Wasabi, you will be charged as if it were a 4 KB file. This policy is comparable to minimum capacity charge per object policies in use by some AWS storage classes (for example, AWS S3 IA has a minimum capacity charge of 128 KB)." THe one I really hate is that 90-day deleted file charge. If you upload a 1K file every day for a month, into the same filename, you get charged for: 4K the first day, plus 8K the next day, plus ... plus 360K the 90th day and every day after that if you keep uploading every day They are charging 360x your actual storage usage. Not because they are actually storing anything extra, but just as a policy. If you do this for a year, you are charged for storing 113MB on their service. You still only have 1K actually stored there.

dannyw 5y ago

Wasabi limits egress to your total storage.

celsoazevedo 5y ago

> For example, if you store 100 TB with Wasabi and download (egress) 100 TB or less within a monthly billing cycle, then your storage use case is a good fit for our policy. If your monthly downloads exceed 100 TB, then your use case is not a good fit. > If your use case exceeds the guidelines of our free egress policy on a regular basis, we reserve the right to limit or suspend your service. https://wasabi.com/paygo-pricing-faq/#free-egress-policy https://wasabi.com/paygo-pricing-faq/#free-egress-policy

duskwuff 5y ago
In short, they're a backup/archival service, not a general-purpose object store. Egress is free because you're expected to use it infrequently.
- celsoazevedo 5y ago
  Yes. But I guess it can also be used like a general-purpose object store, we just have to pay them for the bandwidth used or have a CDN in front to cache stuff.
  - duskwuff 5y ago
    No, I really don't think it can. Literally nothing in the marketing copy describes this use case -- it's all about backup/archival use applications. And the bit in the TOS you quoted makes it clear that Wasabi isn't interested in high-bandwidth customers at any price point. Even with a good caching CDN, most public applications won't be able to hit the "egress < storage" target that Wasabi expects.

NicoJuicy 5y ago

Pricing of wasabi is valid for 3 months. So store 1PB for an hour, pay for it for 3 months. Also egress is not always free. Depends on how much you need the data to be in the free tier. Source: already discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28685542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28685542

prirun 5y ago

They also have a $6 minimum/mo, even if you are not using any storage. https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002374231-I-don-t-have-any-active-storage-with-Wasabi-why-am-I-still-being-charged- https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/3600023... They also have a minimum object size of 4K: "If you use Wasabi to store files that are less than 4 kilobytes (KB) in size, you should be aware that Wasabi’s minimum file size from a charging perspective is 4 KB. You can store files smaller than 4 KB with Wasabi but (for example), if you store a 2 KB file with Wasabi, you will be charged as if it were a 4 KB file. This policy is comparable to minimum capacity charge per object policies in use by some AWS storage classes (for example, AWS S3 IA has a minimum capacity charge of 128 KB)." THe one I really hate is that 90-day deleted file charge. If you upload a 1K file every day for a month, into the same filename, you get charged for: 4K the first day, plus 8K the next day, plus ... plus 360K the 90th day and every day after that if you keep uploading every day They are charging 360x your actual storage usage. Not because they are actually storing anything extra, but just as a policy. If you do this for a year, you are charged for storing 113MB on their service. You still only have 1K actually stored there.