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Per operation charges, even if at the same level as EC2, would still be substantially cheaper. The lack of 9c per GB to egress is the killer. I can rent unlim

by dannyw 5y ago

Per operation charges, even if at the same level as EC2, would still be substantially cheaper. The lack of 9c per GB to egress is the killer. I can rent unlimited 250mbit servers for 14 euros a month from Scaleway. It is truly unmetered; I've been a customer for years and do about 40 terabytes of egress a month on this box. AWS would charge me $3800 for the egress alone (using the calculator). That is certainly almost all pure margin for them, when Scaleway will happily let me egress 40TB a month for years on 13.99 euro per month (plus I get a low-spec bare metal server at this price too).

sfredd 5y ago
Not disagreeing with you! Just pointing out that there will be additional costs over just 13 cents. Excited to check out R2.
- prirun 5y ago
  Even on S3, operations costs are a very tiny fraction of bandwidth costs: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://www.backblaze.com/b2/b2-transactions-price.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/b2-transactions-price.html
kondro 5y ago
Lack of egress charge is great for write once, read a lot. But for write once, read a handful of times (e.g. a webhook system that basically is write once, read once of <32KB objects with long history for either redelivery attempts or replaying the entire stream for a point of time), request prices end up being the biggest cost.
- l-lousy 5y ago
  Not if, as R2 says, they only charge for objects that exceed a single digit request per second threshold. Your write once read once model still only costs as much as the storage at rest would.
  - kondro 5y ago
    I don’t think they mentioned this would be “per object” and I assumed they meant per account. Free per object requests is super game-able. Want 1000 free requests per second, just rotate through 100 identical objects.
    - piaste 5y ago
      But then you're multiplying your storage costs 100x, aren't you?
      - kondro 5y ago
        Which are often significantly lower than request (and egress) charges. 1,000 reads per second is 2.6 billion per month. At S3 prices, that wound cost around $1,040. 100x storage is pretty minimal to achieve this. For example: 100x 128KiB = $0.000192/month 100x 10MiB = $0.015/month 100x 1GiB = $1.50/month
judge2020 5y ago
> That is certainly almost all pure margin for them, Yes. While there is a pretty hefty up-front cost to all the hardware and fiber interconnects AWS makes between servers, between AZs, and to the internet (probably in the millions per-dc including labor), the margin they charge per-gb is insanely high to the point where they likely made all of it back within the first day it was installed, with any extra usage in the years after being pure margin. https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/
celsoazevedo 5y ago
> I can rent unlimited 250mbit servers for 14 euros a month from Scaleway. If we're looking only at egress, we can even find cheaper alternatives. OVH, for example, offers VPS' with 500Mbps unlimited for 10 euros a month, 1Gbps for 20 euros, etc.
- nobleach 5y ago
  I wish this were available in the US...
  - tyingq 5y ago
    Seems like it is. https://us.ovhcloud.com/order/vps/?v=3#/vps/build?selection=~(range~'Essential~pricingMode~'default) https://us.ovhcloud.com/order/vps/?v=3#/vps/build?selection=...
    - nobleach 5y ago
      My apologies. I meant Scaleway. I was looking more for the k8s integration.
      - tyingq 5y ago
        Ah. Ok. There's this: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/kubernetes/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/kubernetes/ Though I don't know how well it compares. Edit: pricing: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/#containers-and-orchestration https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/#containers-and-...
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    There's two locations in the US (only available via the US website/OVHcloud - I think) and at least one in Canada.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    There are VPS providers in the US that offer unmetered bandwidth. One quick example I could think of was Hostgator. https://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting https://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting

by dannyw 5y ago

sfredd 5y ago

Not disagreeing with you! Just pointing out that there will be additional costs over just 13 cents. Excited to check out R2.

prirun 5y ago
Even on S3, operations costs are a very tiny fraction of bandwidth costs: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://www.backblaze.com/b2/b2-transactions-price.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/b2-transactions-price.html

kondro 5y ago

Lack of egress charge is great for write once, read a lot. But for write once, read a handful of times (e.g. a webhook system that basically is write once, read once of <32KB objects with long history for either redelivery attempts or replaying the entire stream for a point of time), request prices end up being the biggest cost.

l-lousy 5y ago
Not if, as R2 says, they only charge for objects that exceed a single digit request per second threshold. Your write once read once model still only costs as much as the storage at rest would.
- kondro 5y ago
  I don’t think they mentioned this would be “per object” and I assumed they meant per account. Free per object requests is super game-able. Want 1000 free requests per second, just rotate through 100 identical objects.
  - piaste 5y ago
    But then you're multiplying your storage costs 100x, aren't you?
    - kondro 5y ago
      Which are often significantly lower than request (and egress) charges. 1,000 reads per second is 2.6 billion per month. At S3 prices, that wound cost around $1,040. 100x storage is pretty minimal to achieve this. For example: 100x 128KiB = $0.000192/month 100x 10MiB = $0.015/month 100x 1GiB = $1.50/month

judge2020 5y ago

> That is certainly almost all pure margin for them, Yes. While there is a pretty hefty up-front cost to all the hardware and fiber interconnects AWS makes between servers, between AZs, and to the internet (probably in the millions per-dc including labor), the margin they charge per-gb is insanely high to the point where they likely made all of it back within the first day it was installed, with any extra usage in the years after being pure margin. https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/

celsoazevedo 5y ago

> I can rent unlimited 250mbit servers for 14 euros a month from Scaleway. If we're looking only at egress, we can even find cheaper alternatives. OVH, for example, offers VPS' with 500Mbps unlimited for 10 euros a month, 1Gbps for 20 euros, etc.

nobleach 5y ago
I wish this were available in the US...
- tyingq 5y ago
  Seems like it is. https://us.ovhcloud.com/order/vps/?v=3#/vps/build?selection=~(range~'Essential~pricingMode~'default) https://us.ovhcloud.com/order/vps/?v=3#/vps/build?selection=...
  - nobleach 5y ago
    My apologies. I meant Scaleway. I was looking more for the k8s integration.
    - tyingq 5y ago
      Ah. Ok. There's this: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/kubernetes/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/kubernetes/ Though I don't know how well it compares. Edit: pricing: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/#containers-and-orchestration https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/#containers-and-...
- celsoazevedo 5y ago
  There's two locations in the US (only available via the US website/OVHcloud - I think) and at least one in Canada.
- vel0city 5y ago
  There are VPS providers in the US that offer unmetered bandwidth. One quick example I could think of was Hostgator. https://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting https://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting