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I've had the covid twice in 2 years, with nothing more than having to stay in bed, feeling a bit dizzy and play Skyrim for a day before I was able to work again

I've had the covid twice in 2 years, with nothing more than having to stay in bed, feeling a bit dizzy and play Skyrim for a day before I was able to work again (wfm). Second time was much milder. I'm pretty confident I can handle a third infection without dying nor getting vaccinated. Please stop fearmongering people, if you're under 50 and have no comorbidity, you're not at risk. On the opposite side, the waiter from the coffee shop where I use to sit and read my newspaper on sunday has got a

tehjoker 5y ago
I'm glad you're doing okay, but long COVID is real. Also, for real, how many people do you know that have zero commodities??? Nearly everyone has one. America is fat, diabetic, and has no universal healthcare. EDIT: We should absolutely be taking care of people that got sick, but America has no social solidarity whatsoever. It's disgusting.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  Long-COVID sounds like pseudo-science to me. They poll a bunch of people who have had COVID, and then attribute the reported symptoms to COVID, when there are a host of confounding factors. For example, anxiety - the most commonly reported long-COVID symptom - can easily be explained by the extreme fear surrounding COVID, or the two weeks of total isolation that all people diagnosed with COVID are prescribed. The negative impact of fear is being completely dismissed by a large cross-section of the population. Reposting what I posted above: https://twitter.com/PandaTribune/status/1440192783260655618?s=20 https://twitter.com/PandaTribune/status/1440192783260655618?... >>Great clip of Bill Maher citing a survey in which 41% of Democrats said that if you catch COVID, the chances of going to the hospital are >50%... (the correct answer is between 1% - 5%) Maher says the "liberal media needs to take responsibility for scaring the sh*t out of people"
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    Some of the symptoms could be seen as psychological, but I've read several studies that identified brain damage in imaging, lung damage, heart damage, and kidney damage. It's real. I'm writing an article on this, but the research has required so much reading and interpretation it's taking me a long time. Some long COVID symptoms are loss of the ability to regulate heart rate reliably. This causes difficulty even standing up because you need to rebalance your blood pressure! It's not every single person that gets these problems, but the population burden is and is going to be enormous. One cardiac study I read found that the closer they looked, the more heart damage they found, much of it subclinical. That subclinical damage is going to be important as you age even if you don't notice it right away. Puntmann, V.O., Carerj, M.L., Wieters, I., Fahim, M., Arendt, C., Hoffmann, J., Shchendrygina, A., Escher, F., Vasa-Nicotera, M., Zeiher, A.M., Vehreschild, M., Nagel, E., 2020. Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). JAMA Cardiol 5, 1265. https://doi.org/10.1001/jamacardio.2020.3557 https://doi.org/10.1001/jamacardio.2020.3557 "To our knowledge, this is the first prospective report on a cohort of unselected patients with a recent COVID-19 infec- tion identified from a local testing center who voluntarily un- derwent evaluation for cardiac involvement with CMR. The results of our study provide important insights into the preva- lence of cardiovascular involvement in the early convales- cent stage. Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac in- flammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospital- ized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our obser- vations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of LGE,3,25 diffuse in- flammatory involvement,10,26 and significant rise of tropo- nin T levels.4 Unlike these previous studies, our findings re- veal that significant cardiac involvement occurs independently of the severity of original presentation and persists beyond the period of acute presentation, with no significant trend to- ward reduction of imaging or serological findings during the recovery period. Our findings may provide an indication of po- tentially considerable burden of inflammatory disease in large and growing parts of the population and urgently require con- firmation in a larger cohort. "
    - CryptoPunk 5y ago
      This is a very small, non-controlled, non-randomized study. Earlier studies of this nature, on young adults, were later debunked by larger studies: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/few-pro-athletes-had-inflammatory-heart-disease-after-covid https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/few-pro-... We don't have enough evidence at this point to be claiming long-COVID exists as a significant problem, and such a situation would contradict the very mild effects that COVID manifests in most cases. The evidence in support of it is not rigorous. If this was the breadth and rigor of the evidence being used support the idea that ivermectin is an effective COVID prophylaxis, no one would give the idea a second look.
lghh 5y ago
In the time period before you were symptomatic but we’re still contagious did you potentially get anyone else sick? What’s your level of confidence if you catch covid again, you won’t spread it prior to being symptomatic? Are you comfortable with the fact that you could be the nexus that leads to many others getting sick? What if one of them dies? Or has a miscarriage? Or hospital bills? Yeah, sure, I’ll be fine if I get covid. Will my toddler? Will the person at the store who doesn’t have the luxury of working from home? It’s such a big, selfish risk for something that’s so easy to deal with.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Back in pioneer times like the 1970s, we still had various flu pandemics and managed to take the toddlers to the store. Hell, we even had Woodstock.
  - lghh 5y ago
    I’m not sure what you’re implying. Can you elaborate?
    - mbg721 5y ago
      I'm implying that we all had a better life, better relationships with each other, and a healthier view of dealing with disease as a society before we started measuring this one.
      - lghh 5y ago
        What does that have to do with getting vaccinated to help lower the spread of said disease?
jlebar 5y ago
> if you're under 50 and have no comorbidity, you're not at risk. This is exactly the kind of false information the YouTube ban is about. You're proving how we need it.
- Kretinsky 5y ago
  Covid death by age in Switzerland: 0-50 years old (cumulative): 60 50-59 years old : 215 60-69 years old : 712 70-79 years old : 2125 80+ years old : 7389 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110092/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-age-group-switzerland/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110092/coronavirus-covi... As we can see, the risk is clearly minimal if you're young, and we're not even controling for comorbidities.
  - jlebar 5y ago
    Death is not the only risk from this disease. Young people are at risk of getting long covid, for example. https://www.mattbell.us/delta-and-long-covid/ https://www.mattbell.us/delta-and-long-covid/
    - ptaipale 5y ago
      Also, people who have had ICU care may get life-changing injuries from the care itself. It's worth noting that with delta and unvaccinated younger cogorts, we can see hiw the relative risk of ending up in ICU increases for younger cohorts. Sweden has good register web page for this. Choose fates after July 2021 to see how the distribution of cases moves to the left, younger cohorts. https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/sv/report/corona.alderkon?filter=b213d908-6dcf-d4be-c121-8eeda3a9578a https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/sv/report/corona.alderkon?...

tehjoker 5y ago

I'm glad you're doing okay, but long COVID is real. Also, for real, how many people do you know that have zero commodities??? Nearly everyone has one. America is fat, diabetic, and has no universal healthcare. EDIT: We should absolutely be taking care of people that got sick, but America has no social solidarity whatsoever. It's disgusting.

CryptoPunk 5y ago
Long-COVID sounds like pseudo-science to me. They poll a bunch of people who have had COVID, and then attribute the reported symptoms to COVID, when there are a host of confounding factors. For example, anxiety - the most commonly reported long-COVID symptom - can easily be explained by the extreme fear surrounding COVID, or the two weeks of total isolation that all people diagnosed with COVID are prescribed. The negative impact of fear is being completely dismissed by a large cross-section of the population. Reposting what I posted above: https://twitter.com/PandaTribune/status/1440192783260655618?s=20 https://twitter.com/PandaTribune/status/1440192783260655618?... >>Great clip of Bill Maher citing a survey in which 41% of Democrats said that if you catch COVID, the chances of going to the hospital are >50%... (the correct answer is between 1% - 5%) Maher says the "liberal media needs to take responsibility for scaring the sh*t out of people"
- tehjoker 5y ago
  Some of the symptoms could be seen as psychological, but I've read several studies that identified brain damage in imaging, lung damage, heart damage, and kidney damage. It's real. I'm writing an article on this, but the research has required so much reading and interpretation it's taking me a long time. Some long COVID symptoms are loss of the ability to regulate heart rate reliably. This causes difficulty even standing up because you need to rebalance your blood pressure! It's not every single person that gets these problems, but the population burden is and is going to be enormous. One cardiac study I read found that the closer they looked, the more heart damage they found, much of it subclinical. That subclinical damage is going to be important as you age even if you don't notice it right away. Puntmann, V.O., Carerj, M.L., Wieters, I., Fahim, M., Arendt, C., Hoffmann, J., Shchendrygina, A., Escher, F., Vasa-Nicotera, M., Zeiher, A.M., Vehreschild, M., Nagel, E., 2020. Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). JAMA Cardiol 5, 1265. https://doi.org/10.1001/jamacardio.2020.3557 https://doi.org/10.1001/jamacardio.2020.3557 "To our knowledge, this is the first prospective report on a cohort of unselected patients with a recent COVID-19 infec- tion identified from a local testing center who voluntarily un- derwent evaluation for cardiac involvement with CMR. The results of our study provide important insights into the preva- lence of cardiovascular involvement in the early convales- cent stage. Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac in- flammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospital- ized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our obser- vations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of LGE,3,25 diffuse in- flammatory involvement,10,26 and significant rise of tropo- nin T levels.4 Unlike these previous studies, our findings re- veal that significant cardiac involvement occurs independently of the severity of original presentation and persists beyond the period of acute presentation, with no significant trend to- ward reduction of imaging or serological findings during the recovery period. Our findings may provide an indication of po- tentially considerable burden of inflammatory disease in large and growing parts of the population and urgently require con- firmation in a larger cohort. "
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    This is a very small, non-controlled, non-randomized study. Earlier studies of this nature, on young adults, were later debunked by larger studies: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/few-pro-athletes-had-inflammatory-heart-disease-after-covid https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/few-pro-... We don't have enough evidence at this point to be claiming long-COVID exists as a significant problem, and such a situation would contradict the very mild effects that COVID manifests in most cases. The evidence in support of it is not rigorous. If this was the breadth and rigor of the evidence being used support the idea that ivermectin is an effective COVID prophylaxis, no one would give the idea a second look.

lghh 5y ago

In the time period before you were symptomatic but we’re still contagious did you potentially get anyone else sick? What’s your level of confidence if you catch covid again, you won’t spread it prior to being symptomatic? Are you comfortable with the fact that you could be the nexus that leads to many others getting sick? What if one of them dies? Or has a miscarriage? Or hospital bills? Yeah, sure, I’ll be fine if I get covid. Will my toddler? Will the person at the store who doesn’t have the luxury of working from home? It’s such a big, selfish risk for something that’s so easy to deal with.

mbg721 5y ago
Back in pioneer times like the 1970s, we still had various flu pandemics and managed to take the toddlers to the store. Hell, we even had Woodstock.
- lghh 5y ago
  I’m not sure what you’re implying. Can you elaborate?
  - mbg721 5y ago
    I'm implying that we all had a better life, better relationships with each other, and a healthier view of dealing with disease as a society before we started measuring this one.
    - lghh 5y ago
      What does that have to do with getting vaccinated to help lower the spread of said disease?

jlebar 5y ago

> if you're under 50 and have no comorbidity, you're not at risk. This is exactly the kind of false information the YouTube ban is about. You're proving how we need it.

Kretinsky 5y ago
Covid death by age in Switzerland: 0-50 years old (cumulative): 60 50-59 years old : 215 60-69 years old : 712 70-79 years old : 2125 80+ years old : 7389 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110092/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-age-group-switzerland/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110092/coronavirus-covi... As we can see, the risk is clearly minimal if you're young, and we're not even controling for comorbidities.
- jlebar 5y ago
  Death is not the only risk from this disease. Young people are at risk of getting long covid, for example. https://www.mattbell.us/delta-and-long-covid/ https://www.mattbell.us/delta-and-long-covid/
  - ptaipale 5y ago
    Also, people who have had ICU care may get life-changing injuries from the care itself. It's worth noting that with delta and unvaccinated younger cogorts, we can see hiw the relative risk of ending up in ICU increases for younger cohorts. Sweden has good register web page for this. Choose fates after July 2021 to see how the distribution of cases moves to the left, younger cohorts. https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/sv/report/corona.alderkon?filter=b213d908-6dcf-d4be-c121-8eeda3a9578a https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/sv/report/corona.alderkon?...