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It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead

by ip26 5y ago

It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead of a large amount via the virus?

artificialLimbs 5y ago
For me, the virus was a day long cough, a very mild fever, and about 5 minutes of "can't get a deep breath". So for me, I know which one I'd prefer.
- civilized 5y ago
  Whatever amount of spike protein you were exposed to by the virus was far worse for you than what the vaccine would have given you. Viruses reproduce themselves and cause uncontrolled, exponential production of spike protein. The mRNA vaccine provides a controlled dose and the lipid bubbles that deliver it don't reproduce.
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    So does that mean I can expect exponentially more antibodies to have been built up inside me?
    - civilized 5y ago
      Antibodies are produced by the immune system when needed, and the supply you have after an infection will wane over a couple months. What matters is whether your infection or vaccine trains your immune memory. With more training your body will have a better immune response, so you're better off vaccinated, whether or not you've had a prior infection.
      - artificialLimbs 5y ago
        A better response than a day off work?
        civilized 5y ago
        You were lucky to have a mild case. That doesn't guarantee that you'll never have a severe case. The odds of having a severe case could be low for you, but the odds of a negative reaction to the vaccine are almost certainly far lower. It's just a lot safer to expose yourself to a small piece of a virus than the virus itself. Just like it's a lot safer to wear a seatbelt in a car, even though tons of people have gone their whole lives not wearing seatbelts and never suffered for it. We're talking about the difference between two small risks here, but there's a clear, easy way for everyone to lower their risk (except those who cannot receive the vaccine for medical reasons). Tons of people have avoided the vaccine because they're confident they'll never, ever have a bad case of COVID, only to get a very bad case of COVID and big regrets. Others are living with the agonizing regret of having advised family members not to get vaccinated, only for those family members to die of COVID. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-regret.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitanc...
        artificialLimbs 5y ago
        Fear mongering propaganda piece from a propaganda newspaper. I can't read it (not that I want to) because it's behind a paywall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr_y6qANhts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr_y6qANhts I'm lucky to be alive at all, the odds are basically 0% that we would be alive. My age, health practices, local demographic composition, the odds of having a bad case to begin with, and the fact that I've had it already basically guarantees that I'll never have a severe case. You can buy the 'safe' story if you want, but for the same reason I wouldn't have sprayed my kids with DDT in the 70's, I won't be vaccinating today: intuition. I won't be voluntarily introducing this risk to myself out of fear. If you're sold on 'the staticstics', go for it. I'm going to rely on my intuition. I've been alive > 40 yrs and everywhere I turn the government and pharma companies constantly fuck everyone they can for a dime. There is too much that smells badly to put stock in this 'vaccine' for me.

by ip26 5y ago

It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead of a large amount via the virus?

artificialLimbs 5y ago

For me, the virus was a day long cough, a very mild fever, and about 5 minutes of "can't get a deep breath". So for me, I know which one I'd prefer.

civilized 5y ago
Whatever amount of spike protein you were exposed to by the virus was far worse for you than what the vaccine would have given you. Viruses reproduce themselves and cause uncontrolled, exponential production of spike protein. The mRNA vaccine provides a controlled dose and the lipid bubbles that deliver it don't reproduce.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  So does that mean I can expect exponentially more antibodies to have been built up inside me?
  - civilized 5y ago
    Antibodies are produced by the immune system when needed, and the supply you have after an infection will wane over a couple months. What matters is whether your infection or vaccine trains your immune memory. With more training your body will have a better immune response, so you're better off vaccinated, whether or not you've had a prior infection.
    - artificialLimbs 5y ago
      A better response than a day off work?
      - civilized 5y ago
        You were lucky to have a mild case. That doesn't guarantee that you'll never have a severe case. The odds of having a severe case could be low for you, but the odds of a negative reaction to the vaccine are almost certainly far lower. It's just a lot safer to expose yourself to a small piece of a virus than the virus itself. Just like it's a lot safer to wear a seatbelt in a car, even though tons of people have gone their whole lives not wearing seatbelts and never suffered for it. We're talking about the difference between two small risks here, but there's a clear, easy way for everyone to lower their risk (except those who cannot receive the vaccine for medical reasons). Tons of people have avoided the vaccine because they're confident they'll never, ever have a bad case of COVID, only to get a very bad case of COVID and big regrets. Others are living with the agonizing regret of having advised family members not to get vaccinated, only for those family members to die of COVID. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-regret.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitanc...
        artificialLimbs 5y ago
        Fear mongering propaganda piece from a propaganda newspaper. I can't read it (not that I want to) because it's behind a paywall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr_y6qANhts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr_y6qANhts I'm lucky to be alive at all, the odds are basically 0% that we would be alive. My age, health practices, local demographic composition, the odds of having a bad case to begin with, and the fact that I've had it already basically guarantees that I'll never have a severe case. You can buy the 'safe' story if you want, but for the same reason I wouldn't have sprayed my kids with DDT in the 70's, I won't be vaccinating today: intuition. I won't be voluntarily introducing this risk to myself out of fear. If you're sold on 'the staticstics', go for it. I'm going to rely on my intuition. I've been alive > 40 yrs and everywhere I turn the government and pharma companies constantly fuck everyone they can for a dime. There is too much that smells badly to put stock in this 'vaccine' for me.