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Groupon is a fundamentally bad business and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot cattle prod. Some say that we know they're not profitable but that's really not
by cletus 15y ago
Groupon is a fundamentally bad business and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot cattle prod.
Some say that we know they're not profitable but that's really not the point. By counting customer acquisition as an extraordinary expense they are implying that:
1. The value of that customer is AT LEAST as much the cost of acquisition; and
2. That cost also accounts for the natural loss of customers.
This is shady because (IMHO) daily deals customers have very little loyalty to the providers of those services, there is no natural barrier to prevent customers moving to LivingSocial or whomever and the high margin on deal split is transitory because increased competition will reduce what is really nothing more than the artificial scarcity introduced by Groupon's one deal a day (per market).
But none of that is why Groupon is a bad business (IMHO). Consider: Groupon offers a deal, people buy it and Groupon and the provider split those proceeds in some fashion. I believe--but don't know--that the provider has to wait for some large part of those proceeds too. Basically that delay is Groupon's cash flow.
So what's the best outcome for Groupon and the provider? One of two things:
1. The customer doesn't use that coupon. Groupon and the provider pocket the free money; or
2. The customer spends above the coupon or is a repeat customer such that the "marketing cost" (to the provider) of the Groupon offer is amortized over multiple visits and/or higher spend such that they make a profit.
In the case of (1), many providers really don't want customers to use coupons. There are plenty of anecdotes from people getting bad reactions when they tell a proprietor or a waiter or whatever that they're using a coupon, particularly in restaurants.
Worse, coupon users may be people who are prepared to pay full price anyway or the influx of coupon users may prevent full-paying customers from being able to use your service. The propaganda is that you can sell unused capacity. While true for some businesses I think you'll find that many people try to use Groupons in, say, restuarants at otherwise peak or busy times.
There are some success stories of (2) but plenty of failures too.
What isn't built into Groupon's financial statements is account risk. There is a strong argument that a failing business can make one last roll of the dice with a Groupon offer. If they fail, they were going under anyway.
I actually don't know if Google (disclaimer: I work for Google) tried to buy Groupon or not and if we did, at what price. The press reports Groupon turned down a $6 billion offer.
My personal opinion is that Google dodged a huge bullet if this is true.
- samstave 15y agoThere are many of us who have always known groupon was a bad idea. My information comes from all my friends in SF who own businesses that Groupon attempted to solicit. My friends cupcake shop in union square was asked to sell their cupcakes for 25% of retail and at a loss in a very pushy way by groupon. I have been on groupon for pretty much since they launched. I have bought in total (1) groupon. And I forgot about it and it expired. I am not interested in the things they have, which are typically things I would never frequently buy anyway (skydiving, spas etc). Thus, I have never seen it being a place I would spend much money. I haven't logged into it for nearly a year. I stopped all emails way back as well.
- suking 15y agoYou might want to look into any class actions against groupon for expiring. California has very favorable gift card laws and I think the court would agree this is a gift card.
- ianferrel 15y agoI believe Groupon's policy is that purchases don't ever expire, just the deal does. If you pay $x for some deal, and expires, you still have a credit of $x with that business.
- mseebach 15y ago> There are many of us who have always known groupon was a bad idea. Weasel words. > My friends cupcake shop in union square was asked to sell their cupcakes for 25% of retail and at a loss in a very pushy way by groupon. While pushy sales people are annoying, they are hardly unique to GroupOn. I'm sure your friend turned them down. No harm done. > I have bought in total (1) groupon. And I forgot about it and it expired. (...) things I would never frequently buy anyway (...) I haven't logged into it for nearly a year. Good for you. But you communicate your argument that GroupOn is a bad idea in an incredibly weak fashion.