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I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such c

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-toxicity-of-spike-proteins-made-from-covid-19-vaccines https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, but those are stressed all the time anyway and will regenerate.

lugged 5y ago
That was the expectation but we later found they travel around the body and particularly build up in bone marrow and your ovaries if you have them. They also are technically "toxic" but you need to take that word with a grain of salt. The damage is still far less than what the virus will cause if you catch it without the vaccine.
- 0x000000001 5y ago
  Citations please
  - lugged 5y ago
    Whats the point? You'll just debunk it with a bs "fact check"[1] article that links to outdated information or quotes people with outdated information and call it a day. When the reality is: - Spike proteins from the virus and the vaccine are in-arguably cytotoxic[2] (but the low load has not lead to any long term negative effects and you should still get vaxxed). - Spike proteins do not stay near the injection site.[3][4] (only 20% of the dose is found to remain in the injection site after 48h) The thing that fucks me off so much about this censorship from youtube is that it leads to the fact checkers becoming gospel, the same fact checkers that have been found to be paid shills of big pharma.[5] Even the fact check article I link to here links to a youtube clip where this is all discussed in detail, only it doesn't discuss it in detail be cause its only a clip. A clip that was created to avoid youtubes filters. The full video[6] covers all of this in detail. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z [3] https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-spike-protein-travels-from-injection-site-organ-damage/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-sp... [4] https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf#page=16 https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-gove... [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44B-OJcOXxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44B-OJcOXxc [6] https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-in-three-easy:0?r=FuWwFotRbicqY9GHyWBqDdTNNHpaTgC9 https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-i...
    - walterbell 5y ago
      > Whats the point? You'll just debunk it with a bs "fact check" There's a PhD waiting for someone who can do an "influence analysis" of points and counter-points diffusing through articles, social media debates, fact-checkers, counter-articles, etc. Including methodologies to differentiate bots, paid PR firms, machine learning analysis/targeting, and organic participants being influenced by all of the above. Those who have been involved in a few of these debates can almost predict the graph of responses, as you did with the fact-check lookahead parser :)
      - kyleee 5y ago
        Indeed, and the prize(s) likely much more than a PhD
        walterbell 5y ago
        As a starting point, there's a social network analysis (100+ page PDF) of the "Covid Network Complex". One could work outwards from some of those nodes, to track lobbying and media influence. https://www.disclose.tv/the-covid-network-an-analysis/ https://www.disclose.tv/the-covid-network-an-analysis/
    - civilized 5y ago
      Thanks for pointing all of this out. It's much better if we publicize the vaccine's potential risks in full context and alongside the much more significant benefits. If the anti-vaxxers are the only ones talking about inconvenient facts, a lot of people are going to go down a bad path.
    - spectramax 5y ago
      Thank you for taking the time to put this all together and further your points. Jeez, the future looks dark when it comes to inquiry of truth. I've had discussions with other engineers who are supposed to be sufficiently trained about critical thinking and I see a very clear party-line ideologies getting mixed into their conscience.
  - sieabahlpark 5y ago
    If only those citations weren't censored.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
ip26 5y ago
It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead of a large amount via the virus?
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  For me, the virus was a day long cough, a very mild fever, and about 5 minutes of "can't get a deep breath". So for me, I know which one I'd prefer.
  - civilized 5y ago
    Whatever amount of spike protein you were exposed to by the virus was far worse for you than what the vaccine would have given you. Viruses reproduce themselves and cause uncontrolled, exponential production of spike protein. The mRNA vaccine provides a controlled dose and the lipid bubbles that deliver it don't reproduce.
    - artificialLimbs 5y ago
      So does that mean I can expect exponentially more antibodies to have been built up inside me?
      - civilized 5y ago
        Antibodies are produced by the immune system when needed, and the supply you have after an infection will wane over a couple months. What matters is whether your infection or vaccine trains your immune memory. With more training your body will have a better immune response, so you're better off vaccinated, whether or not you've had a prior infection.
        artificialLimbs 5y ago
        A better response than a day off work?
artificialLimbs 5y ago
>> "So far, there is no scientific evidence available that suggests that spike proteins created in our bodies from the COVID-19 vaccines are toxic or damaging our organs." Is not the same as "...is not toxic and does not damage our organs." In response you could look at this and decide maybe we're not getting the full story. Or you could look at the rampant censorship (the purpose of the OP) and decide that maybe we're not getting the whole story. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/federal-govt-whistleblower-goes-public-with-secret-recordings-government/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/federal-govt-whistleblow... What the health care worker here is saying is that doctors are not reporting adverse effects like they should be. Yes, Project Veritas makes their videos in hyper-over-produced fashion which seems ... weird, maybe a bit disingenuous. They cut and edit and potentially leave a lot of questions on the table with that. But when I go to comments sections on reposts of this video on various sites, there are numerous health care workers saying "This is how it is, this is what is happening where I am also." Is this foreign propaganda or some coordinated trolling? Maybe.
- civilized 5y ago
  I watched the Project Veritas video too. I noticed that the featured health care worker did not say two things she definitely would have said if they were true: 1. She did not say that there was any coercion to avoid reporting adverse events. She just said it took too long to enter the data into VAERS (30 minutes) so people weren't reporting every event. 2. She didn't say the hospital was overflowing with people suffering from vaccine side effects, or that that number was remotely comparable to the number hospitalized with COVID. So what's the likely truth? 1. Vaccine side effects are underreported, but mostly because people are not making much of an effort to report them, not for conspiratorial reasons. This is far from new - both underreporting of relevant events and overreporting of irrelevant events are common with every medical intervention. 2. The health burden of COVID still vastly outweighs anything happening with the vaccine.
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    The health burden of the covid response vastly outweighs anything happening with the virus. I hope you, and others, can stop sucking the mainstream/government sponsored narrative someday.
endgame 5y ago
Localised, huh? Then why did shot one leave me too tired to work for several days, and shot two give me lethargy and whole-body aches?
- civilized 5y ago
  That was your immune system overreacting to a harmless foreign substance. Kind of like an allergy, but a desirable one in this case.

lugged 5y ago

That was the expectation but we later found they travel around the body and particularly build up in bone marrow and your ovaries if you have them. They also are technically "toxic" but you need to take that word with a grain of salt. The damage is still far less than what the virus will cause if you catch it without the vaccine.

0x000000001 5y ago
Citations please
- lugged 5y ago
  Whats the point? You'll just debunk it with a bs "fact check"[1] article that links to outdated information or quotes people with outdated information and call it a day. When the reality is: - Spike proteins from the virus and the vaccine are in-arguably cytotoxic[2] (but the low load has not lead to any long term negative effects and you should still get vaxxed). - Spike proteins do not stay near the injection site.[3][4] (only 20% of the dose is found to remain in the injection site after 48h) The thing that fucks me off so much about this censorship from youtube is that it leads to the fact checkers becoming gospel, the same fact checkers that have been found to be paid shills of big pharma.[5] Even the fact check article I link to here links to a youtube clip where this is all discussed in detail, only it doesn't discuss it in detail be cause its only a clip. A clip that was created to avoid youtubes filters. The full video[6] covers all of this in detail. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z [3] https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-spike-protein-travels-from-injection-site-organ-damage/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-sp... [4] https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf#page=16 https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-gove... [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44B-OJcOXxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44B-OJcOXxc [6] https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-in-three-easy:0?r=FuWwFotRbicqY9GHyWBqDdTNNHpaTgC9 https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-i...
  - walterbell 5y ago
    > Whats the point? You'll just debunk it with a bs "fact check" There's a PhD waiting for someone who can do an "influence analysis" of points and counter-points diffusing through articles, social media debates, fact-checkers, counter-articles, etc. Including methodologies to differentiate bots, paid PR firms, machine learning analysis/targeting, and organic participants being influenced by all of the above. Those who have been involved in a few of these debates can almost predict the graph of responses, as you did with the fact-check lookahead parser :)
    - kyleee 5y ago
      Indeed, and the prize(s) likely much more than a PhD
      - walterbell 5y ago
        As a starting point, there's a social network analysis (100+ page PDF) of the "Covid Network Complex". One could work outwards from some of those nodes, to track lobbying and media influence. https://www.disclose.tv/the-covid-network-an-analysis/ https://www.disclose.tv/the-covid-network-an-analysis/
  - civilized 5y ago
    Thanks for pointing all of this out. It's much better if we publicize the vaccine's potential risks in full context and alongside the much more significant benefits. If the anti-vaxxers are the only ones talking about inconvenient facts, a lot of people are going to go down a bad path.
  - spectramax 5y ago
    Thank you for taking the time to put this all together and further your points. Jeez, the future looks dark when it comes to inquiry of truth. I've had discussions with other engineers who are supposed to be sufficiently trained about critical thinking and I see a very clear party-line ideologies getting mixed into their conscience.
- sieabahlpark 5y ago
  If only those citations weren't censored.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

ip26 5y ago

It seems strange to be talking about whether the spike protein is harmful. Even IF it was, isn’t it better to experience a small amount via the vaccine instead of a large amount via the virus?

artificialLimbs 5y ago
For me, the virus was a day long cough, a very mild fever, and about 5 minutes of "can't get a deep breath". So for me, I know which one I'd prefer.
- civilized 5y ago
  Whatever amount of spike protein you were exposed to by the virus was far worse for you than what the vaccine would have given you. Viruses reproduce themselves and cause uncontrolled, exponential production of spike protein. The mRNA vaccine provides a controlled dose and the lipid bubbles that deliver it don't reproduce.
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    So does that mean I can expect exponentially more antibodies to have been built up inside me?
    - civilized 5y ago
      Antibodies are produced by the immune system when needed, and the supply you have after an infection will wane over a couple months. What matters is whether your infection or vaccine trains your immune memory. With more training your body will have a better immune response, so you're better off vaccinated, whether or not you've had a prior infection.
      - artificialLimbs 5y ago
        A better response than a day off work?

artificialLimbs 5y ago

>> "So far, there is no scientific evidence available that suggests that spike proteins created in our bodies from the COVID-19 vaccines are toxic or damaging our organs." Is not the same as "...is not toxic and does not damage our organs." In response you could look at this and decide maybe we're not getting the full story. Or you could look at the rampant censorship (the purpose of the OP) and decide that maybe we're not getting the whole story. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/federal-govt-whistleblower-goes-public-with-secret-recordings-government/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/federal-govt-whistleblow... What the health care worker here is saying is that doctors are not reporting adverse effects like they should be. Yes, Project Veritas makes their videos in hyper-over-produced fashion which seems ... weird, maybe a bit disingenuous. They cut and edit and potentially leave a lot of questions on the table with that. But when I go to comments sections on reposts of this video on various sites, there are numerous health care workers saying "This is how it is, this is what is happening where I am also." Is this foreign propaganda or some coordinated trolling? Maybe.

civilized 5y ago
I watched the Project Veritas video too. I noticed that the featured health care worker did not say two things she definitely would have said if they were true: 1. She did not say that there was any coercion to avoid reporting adverse events. She just said it took too long to enter the data into VAERS (30 minutes) so people weren't reporting every event. 2. She didn't say the hospital was overflowing with people suffering from vaccine side effects, or that that number was remotely comparable to the number hospitalized with COVID. So what's the likely truth? 1. Vaccine side effects are underreported, but mostly because people are not making much of an effort to report them, not for conspiratorial reasons. This is far from new - both underreporting of relevant events and overreporting of irrelevant events are common with every medical intervention. 2. The health burden of COVID still vastly outweighs anything happening with the vaccine.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  The health burden of the covid response vastly outweighs anything happening with the virus. I hope you, and others, can stop sucking the mainstream/government sponsored narrative someday.

endgame 5y ago

Localised, huh? Then why did shot one leave me too tired to work for several days, and shot two give me lethargy and whole-body aches?

civilized 5y ago
That was your immune system overreacting to a harmless foreign substance. Kind of like an allergy, but a desirable one in this case.