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I hate that sub with a passion, I really do. Morbid schadenfreude at the deceased under a thin disguise of “awareness of the dangers of being anti-vax.”

sellyme 5y ago
When someone's actively trying to get those around them killed, I find it difficult to criticise anyone for not being too distressed by their passing.
- dlivingston 5y ago
  My issues are with the mocking, the doxxing, and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.”
  - sellyme 5y ago
    > the mocking It's perfectly reasonable to have a distaste for this, but I am curious as to if you take issue with this because the person in question is deceased, or if you just take issue with mocking someone under all circumstances. > the doxxing I can't say I've seen any of that. Admittedly I only ever see posts from that subreddit when they show up on r/all, so maybe it gets cleaned up on popular posts, but everything I've seen on the subreddit is just directly screenshotted from social media. > and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.” This one is really just a matter of your opinion on trolley problems. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives.
    - dlivingston 5y ago
      We care about vaccination rates because we care about human lives - so what have we gained if we lose our humanity in the process of trying to save it.
      - sellyme 5y ago
        The lives of the people who aren't trying to get their peers killed, hopefully. If someone is so hell-bent on dying that they'll ignore every single qualified doctor telling them that they're wrong, we can't really do much about that. But at least it usually stops them from getting other people killed with the same stupidity.
        tacitusarc 5y ago
        But if you treat that situation as gleeful instead of tragic, there is something wrong with you.
        ikr678 5y ago
        I am not American, but watching the way the vaccine has been politicised, I can understand a certain level of schaudenfreude as a reaction to after the years of Trump governing to 'owning the libs'.
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    - ziml77 5y ago
      > I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives. That's backed up by the praise for people who post there saying they've changed their opinion. I'm not going to lie and claim the feeling of schadenfreude isn't a factor, but it's more than that. The other reason that subreddit is happy about anti-vaxxers dying is because it means one less person spreading anti-vax sentiments (actually more since their family may stop too). However, the subreddit isn't calling for anti-vaxxers to be killed. The deaths of anti-vaxxers who die for reasons other than COVID are not celebrated.
tehjoker 5y ago
I am not sure what to think about that sub, all I know is that where I live COVID hasn't been too bad, so it gives me a window into what it's like in the rest of the country. It mostly makes me feel bad, like looking at casualty lists from WW1 except someone told them they didn't have to go over the top. It's just so senseless and pointless.
- dlivingston 5y ago
  The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people. People are blinded by the public figures and institutions that they trust - and yes, that includes us. They were steered wrong because they trusted the wrong people. You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted.
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    > The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people. Agreed. I never said I submitted anything to the sub or founded it or something. I do find it useful to see what is happening to people. A secondary reason I was there is my parents are anti-vax and comorbid and I was hoping to find something that would break their hypnosis, but it's too deep. That said, as someone that was previous conservative and my parents are conservative, I can say definitively though that conservatism is a suckers game and it should be obvious to anyone that it's a pack of lies by the cruelest and most selfish people in our society with grifters and the super-rich at the top. Liberalism isn't much better (in some ways worse because they have enough credibility with workers to do real damage sometimes without pushback). > You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted. That reality almost happened. At the presidential debates Harris said that she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump told her to (which was about whether it was the FDA or Trump pressuring the FDA). If they really leaned into that, we'd be in a different world right now. Like everything these days, it's psychic whiplash how fast things change.
ufo 5y ago
I feel like that sub is the new r/fatpeoplehate. "You see, we're just helping people to be healthier by pointing out that obesity is harmful".

sellyme 5y ago

When someone's actively trying to get those around them killed, I find it difficult to criticise anyone for not being too distressed by their passing.

dlivingston 5y ago
My issues are with the mocking, the doxxing, and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.”
- sellyme 5y ago
  > the mocking It's perfectly reasonable to have a distaste for this, but I am curious as to if you take issue with this because the person in question is deceased, or if you just take issue with mocking someone under all circumstances. > the doxxing I can't say I've seen any of that. Admittedly I only ever see posts from that subreddit when they show up on r/all, so maybe it gets cleaned up on popular posts, but everything I've seen on the subreddit is just directly screenshotted from social media. > and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.” This one is really just a matter of your opinion on trolley problems. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives.
  - dlivingston 5y ago
    We care about vaccination rates because we care about human lives - so what have we gained if we lose our humanity in the process of trying to save it.
    - sellyme 5y ago
      The lives of the people who aren't trying to get their peers killed, hopefully. If someone is so hell-bent on dying that they'll ignore every single qualified doctor telling them that they're wrong, we can't really do much about that. But at least it usually stops them from getting other people killed with the same stupidity.
      - tacitusarc 5y ago
        But if you treat that situation as gleeful instead of tragic, there is something wrong with you.
        ikr678 5y ago
        I am not American, but watching the way the vaccine has been politicised, I can understand a certain level of schaudenfreude as a reaction to after the years of Trump governing to 'owning the libs'.
        deleted 5y ago
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      - deleted 5y ago
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  - ziml77 5y ago
    > I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives. That's backed up by the praise for people who post there saying they've changed their opinion. I'm not going to lie and claim the feeling of schadenfreude isn't a factor, but it's more than that. The other reason that subreddit is happy about anti-vaxxers dying is because it means one less person spreading anti-vax sentiments (actually more since their family may stop too). However, the subreddit isn't calling for anti-vaxxers to be killed. The deaths of anti-vaxxers who die for reasons other than COVID are not celebrated.

tehjoker 5y ago

I am not sure what to think about that sub, all I know is that where I live COVID hasn't been too bad, so it gives me a window into what it's like in the rest of the country. It mostly makes me feel bad, like looking at casualty lists from WW1 except someone told them they didn't have to go over the top. It's just so senseless and pointless.

dlivingston 5y ago
The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people. People are blinded by the public figures and institutions that they trust - and yes, that includes us. They were steered wrong because they trusted the wrong people. You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted.
- tehjoker 5y ago
  > The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people. Agreed. I never said I submitted anything to the sub or founded it or something. I do find it useful to see what is happening to people. A secondary reason I was there is my parents are anti-vax and comorbid and I was hoping to find something that would break their hypnosis, but it's too deep. That said, as someone that was previous conservative and my parents are conservative, I can say definitively though that conservatism is a suckers game and it should be obvious to anyone that it's a pack of lies by the cruelest and most selfish people in our society with grifters and the super-rich at the top. Liberalism isn't much better (in some ways worse because they have enough credibility with workers to do real damage sometimes without pushback). > You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted. That reality almost happened. At the presidential debates Harris said that she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump told her to (which was about whether it was the FDA or Trump pressuring the FDA). If they really leaned into that, we'd be in a different world right now. Like everything these days, it's psychic whiplash how fast things change.

ufo 5y ago

I feel like that sub is the new r/fatpeoplehate. "You see, we're just helping people to be healthier by pointing out that obesity is harmful".