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>Add in the famous Eichmann Pretty amusing mistake, but I think you mean Ehrlichman.

by p_j_w 5y ago

ModernMech 5y ago
Ugh, I did, but that is pretty funny! To be perfectly clear, here's the quote I was referencing: https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1522294 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1522294
- leereeves 5y ago
  That's a bit of partisan rewriting of history by Democrats who want to distance themselves from their role in the drug war. The fact is, the Controlled Substances Act [1] passed both houses of Congress with near unanimous approval, and the war on drugs was still supported by Democrats like Clinton and even Biden decades later. [2] And most of the arrests aren't made by the DEA, they are made by local police in jurisdictions controlled by Democrats (including many black Democrats). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act 2: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/j...
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    Where do Democrats come in here? This is a direct quote from an individual. Democrats certainly share blame in this mess, I don't think I or anyone in this thread implied otherwise.
    - leereeves 5y ago
      Is it even a direct quote? It first appeared in public in 2016, over 15 years after Ehrlichman's death, and has been challenged by numerous people.[1] But I'm not here to argue about the alleged quote, I'm here to dispute the broader claim that the war on drugs was somehow manufactured by Nixon to target his enemies. The war on drugs was bipartisan from the beginning. So if you believe that the racial disparities might be "a deliberate result of the system", as you said, then blame for that would extend far beyond Nixon, right up to our current President. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote
      - ModernMech 5y ago
        > I'm here to dispute the broader claim that the war on drugs was somehow manufactured by Nixon to target his enemies. The war on drugs was bipartisan from the beginning. This presumes that leftists and civil rights activists weren't also a thorn in the side of Democrats as well as Republicans. Democrats are famous for paying lip service to the causes of racial justice and workers rights, and then failing to deliver for these groups when in office because not enough of them are dedicated to these causes. They are also famous for being just as beholden to corporate interests as Republicans. I can absolutely imagine plenty of Democrats happy to witness law enforcement crack down against these groups. Civil unrest is bad for business after all. > So if you believe that the racial disparities might be "a deliberate result of the system", as you said, then blame for that would extend far beyond Nixon, right up to our current President. 100% agreed
    - ikerdanzel 5y ago
      Let just say Clinton, Obama, and Biden could have honored what their party strive for. They didn't. This is why the other Presidents are better as consistent with their message rather than being "dicking bimbos", orator of lies and "hope" or "greatest fraud".

>Add in the famous Eichmann Pretty amusing mistake, but I think you mean Ehrlichman.

by p_j_w 5y ago

>Add in the famous Eichmann Pretty amusing mistake, but I think you mean Ehrlichman.

Ugh, I did, but that is pretty funny! To be perfectly clear, here's the quote I was referencing: https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1522294 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1522294

leereeves 5y ago
That's a bit of partisan rewriting of history by Democrats who want to distance themselves from their role in the drug war. The fact is, the Controlled Substances Act [1] passed both houses of Congress with near unanimous approval, and the war on drugs was still supported by Democrats like Clinton and even Biden decades later. [2] And most of the arrests aren't made by the DEA, they are made by local police in jurisdictions controlled by Democrats (including many black Democrats). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act 2: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/j...
- ModernMech 5y ago
  Where do Democrats come in here? This is a direct quote from an individual. Democrats certainly share blame in this mess, I don't think I or anyone in this thread implied otherwise.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Is it even a direct quote? It first appeared in public in 2016, over 15 years after Ehrlichman's death, and has been challenged by numerous people.[1] But I'm not here to argue about the alleged quote, I'm here to dispute the broader claim that the war on drugs was somehow manufactured by Nixon to target his enemies. The war on drugs was bipartisan from the beginning. So if you believe that the racial disparities might be "a deliberate result of the system", as you said, then blame for that would extend far beyond Nixon, right up to our current President. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote
    - ModernMech 5y ago
      > I'm here to dispute the broader claim that the war on drugs was somehow manufactured by Nixon to target his enemies. The war on drugs was bipartisan from the beginning. This presumes that leftists and civil rights activists weren't also a thorn in the side of Democrats as well as Republicans. Democrats are famous for paying lip service to the causes of racial justice and workers rights, and then failing to deliver for these groups when in office because not enough of them are dedicated to these causes. They are also famous for being just as beholden to corporate interests as Republicans. I can absolutely imagine plenty of Democrats happy to witness law enforcement crack down against these groups. Civil unrest is bad for business after all. > So if you believe that the racial disparities might be "a deliberate result of the system", as you said, then blame for that would extend far beyond Nixon, right up to our current President. 100% agreed
  - ikerdanzel 5y ago
    Let just say Clinton, Obama, and Biden could have honored what their party strive for. They didn't. This is why the other Presidents are better as consistent with their message rather than being "dicking bimbos", orator of lies and "hope" or "greatest fraud".