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I find the ":) Steve" just disgusting. Someone got terminated and everybody gets a pat on their back. Well done everybody.

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walrus01 5y ago
I'm immediately skeptical of anyone I meet in the tech industry who doesn't think Steve Jobs was an absolute raging asshole. Yes, he accomplished some interesting product shipments. But the number of direct first person anecdotes of him being a complete dick to people is too great to ignore. I'm writing this from a Macbook Air. One of the reasons why I use MacOS is because it's based on the NeXT heritage. There was some amazing stuff there. But Steve was just not a nice person.
- elisbce 5y ago
  And why does he have to be nice to the people around him? To be a leader, he needs to say things other people can't say, or won't say. He is brutal, yes, but without this brutality, the products or teams or the company would be mediocre. Everyone is happy with nice words, but nice words don't always get you nice products and results.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    I know it's part of corporate lore but I'd like to see some evidence that you have to be "brutal" for your company or products not to be mediocre.
  - protastus 5y ago
    A leader can be brutally honest, relentless about quality and ethical, all at the same time.
- bananabreakfast 5y ago
  Nearly all great leaders in history can be described as "not a nice person". It doesn't redeem them. Nor does it redeem Jobs. But being an asshole doesn't, in any way, diminish one's outsized impact on society.
  - yifanl 5y ago
    Depends on what he was known as an asshole for. For one, what he did to his daughter's mother puts him a bit past the "only tips 5%" end of the scale of assholery.
    - outworlder 5y ago
      He used the handicap parking space just because he wanted to.
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HatchedLake721 5y ago
Why are you disgusted?
- barbazoo 5y ago
  I am disgusted because someone made an inconsequential mistake, got fired for it and a CEO is happy about it.
  - elisbce 5y ago
    People get fired for violating policies. A CEO is happy that the issue is handled. What's the problem with that? You can sue if the policy is illegal, but before the lawsuit settles, it is not. Don't push your current ideology back on historic matter. Whether something is illegal is dynamic and dependent on the era. Smoking weed would get you in jail not too long ago. So is that right or wrong? Things are not always black or white. Stay open-minded
    - detaro 5y ago
      That this wasn't legal was not some big surprise or innovation in law in the "historic" times of 2007 either. (indeed, according to evidence from the case Schmidt explicitly mentioned not discussing the policy by email to not create a papertrail).
    - onepointsixC 5y ago
      There's nothing to be open minded here. A person got fired because they violated an illegal policy, that was illegal the moment Google and Apple started their collusion, not when they were sued for it.
    - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
      A "policy" that was almost certainly never written down because it was highly illegal.
  - microtherion 5y ago
    It's not even a mistake. They tried to recruit a presumably well qualified person, that they had every legal right to recruit. Fired for literally trying to do their job.
mensetmanusman 5y ago
I wonder if he was nicer than Ghenghis Khan.

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walrus01 5y ago

I'm immediately skeptical of anyone I meet in the tech industry who doesn't think Steve Jobs was an absolute raging asshole. Yes, he accomplished some interesting product shipments. But the number of direct first person anecdotes of him being a complete dick to people is too great to ignore. I'm writing this from a Macbook Air. One of the reasons why I use MacOS is because it's based on the NeXT heritage. There was some amazing stuff there. But Steve was just not a nice person.

elisbce 5y ago
And why does he have to be nice to the people around him? To be a leader, he needs to say things other people can't say, or won't say. He is brutal, yes, but without this brutality, the products or teams or the company would be mediocre. Everyone is happy with nice words, but nice words don't always get you nice products and results.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  I know it's part of corporate lore but I'd like to see some evidence that you have to be "brutal" for your company or products not to be mediocre.
- protastus 5y ago
  A leader can be brutally honest, relentless about quality and ethical, all at the same time.
bananabreakfast 5y ago
Nearly all great leaders in history can be described as "not a nice person". It doesn't redeem them. Nor does it redeem Jobs. But being an asshole doesn't, in any way, diminish one's outsized impact on society.
- yifanl 5y ago
  Depends on what he was known as an asshole for. For one, what he did to his daughter's mother puts him a bit past the "only tips 5%" end of the scale of assholery.
  - outworlder 5y ago
    He used the handicap parking space just because he wanted to.

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HatchedLake721 5y ago

Why are you disgusted?

barbazoo 5y ago
I am disgusted because someone made an inconsequential mistake, got fired for it and a CEO is happy about it.
- elisbce 5y ago
  People get fired for violating policies. A CEO is happy that the issue is handled. What's the problem with that? You can sue if the policy is illegal, but before the lawsuit settles, it is not. Don't push your current ideology back on historic matter. Whether something is illegal is dynamic and dependent on the era. Smoking weed would get you in jail not too long ago. So is that right or wrong? Things are not always black or white. Stay open-minded
  - detaro 5y ago
    That this wasn't legal was not some big surprise or innovation in law in the "historic" times of 2007 either. (indeed, according to evidence from the case Schmidt explicitly mentioned not discussing the policy by email to not create a papertrail).
  - onepointsixC 5y ago
    There's nothing to be open minded here. A person got fired because they violated an illegal policy, that was illegal the moment Google and Apple started their collusion, not when they were sued for it.
  - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
    A "policy" that was almost certainly never written down because it was highly illegal.
- microtherion 5y ago
  It's not even a mistake. They tried to recruit a presumably well qualified person, that they had every legal right to recruit. Fired for literally trying to do their job.

mensetmanusman 5y ago

I wonder if he was nicer than Ghenghis Khan.