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> I’ve seen this kind of phenomenon first hand when it comes to drugs. In 7th or 8th grade, I remember watching a video in health class that included a (presum

by KMag 5y ago

> I’ve seen this kind of phenomenon first hand when it comes to drugs. In 7th or 8th grade, I remember watching a video in health class that included a (presumably fictional) dramatization where a kid died his first time trying marijuana because (unbeknownst to him) it had been laced with crack cocaine. It was difficult to take much of health class seriously after seeing that video. If your audience doesn't have much background in your subject matter, they're still able to spot lazy arguments. They know they're unable to judge the merits of the rest, but the lazy arguments spoil the whole message. Many times, lazy arguments are less damaging when the audience has the necessary background to evaluate everything being said.

noduerme 5y ago
I saw a similar video in junior high and thought it was ridiculous. Then in high school I knew a girl who was raped by several guys at a party who gave her weed laced with something that made her pass out. I don't know if I would have considered it a lazy argument if that girl had told her story when I was 13. There was just something hamfisted and out of touch about those DARE videos.
- Jenda_ 5y ago
  I guess this is not really connected with the weed, they could have put the drugs into her glass of soda otherwise?
  - angelzen 5y ago
    They could, but "I'm feeling kind of funny, it must be the weed" is easier to slide by compared to "I'm feeling kind of funny, I need to call Dad ASAP".
  - noduerme 5y ago
    I guess they could have. At the time in the 90s, rohypnol wasn't so common. And now, girls are much more careful about watching their drinks than watching their weed. The fact that she was out at a party with older boys and smoking weed definitely made it impossible to tell her parents. But I guess the point of all of this is that these stupid educational videos about drugs would be more effective if they talked about real things that happen instead of trying to create false fears. The reality of being a teen surrounded by drugs and sex abuse is scary enough.
acjohnson55 5y ago
The late hip hop artist DMX first got hooked on crack after being given a blunt laced with crack. The addiction would haunt him for the rest of his life and eventually lead to his heart failure. In the video, about 3 mins in, you can see how much that moment weighed on him, after decades. I'm saying maybe there's actually a decent bit of truth in the hokey video. But maybe that's they'd be better off showing DMX than an overdramatized skit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwcbG1rIp8Y https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwcbG1rIp8Y
- loopz 5y ago
  Providing proper information and treating people like adults might succeed more than "just take the damn vaccine, mmmkay?". It does require responsible adults though, but in many countries there were fertile ground for open debate.
  - nindalf 5y ago
    No information is proper enough. Like the second comment from top points out, the goalposts are always shifted. Information on vaccine studies? Rushed. Information on vaccine rollouts from countries that have reached 75-80% of the entire population vaccinated? Faked/not applicable. Information comparing cases/deaths in US states with neighbouring states having higher vaccination rates? Invalid. Look, be honest here. There’s more than enough information out there and none of it is being hidden. Hundreds of millions have gotten the shot and the benefits are abundantly clear. For example - “Despite Delta, severe covid-19 is much rarer among vaccinated Britons“ (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/09/18/despite-delta-severe-covid-19-is-much-rarer-among-vaccinated-britons https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/09/18/despite-...). But this doesn’t make a difference. Despite all this information being available, people will still rely on faulty information like “Nicki Minaj’s cousin’s friend became impotent after he took the vaccine”. FWIW, the White House treated Minaj like an adult and reached out to have a conversation with her. But she didn’t change her mind. > treat people like adults If they were intelligent adults they’d be able to evaluate the data for themselves. Instead they watch YouTube videos telling them to “do their own research” followed by checking out Nicki Minaj’s tweets. Go ahead. Try having an open debate with Nicki Minaj or Kyrie Irving or any vaccine skeptic with millions of followers. Let me know how that goes.

by KMag 5y ago

noduerme 5y ago

I saw a similar video in junior high and thought it was ridiculous. Then in high school I knew a girl who was raped by several guys at a party who gave her weed laced with something that made her pass out. I don't know if I would have considered it a lazy argument if that girl had told her story when I was 13. There was just something hamfisted and out of touch about those DARE videos.

Jenda_ 5y ago
I guess this is not really connected with the weed, they could have put the drugs into her glass of soda otherwise?
- angelzen 5y ago
  They could, but "I'm feeling kind of funny, it must be the weed" is easier to slide by compared to "I'm feeling kind of funny, I need to call Dad ASAP".
- noduerme 5y ago
  I guess they could have. At the time in the 90s, rohypnol wasn't so common. And now, girls are much more careful about watching their drinks than watching their weed. The fact that she was out at a party with older boys and smoking weed definitely made it impossible to tell her parents. But I guess the point of all of this is that these stupid educational videos about drugs would be more effective if they talked about real things that happen instead of trying to create false fears. The reality of being a teen surrounded by drugs and sex abuse is scary enough.

acjohnson55 5y ago

The late hip hop artist DMX first got hooked on crack after being given a blunt laced with crack. The addiction would haunt him for the rest of his life and eventually lead to his heart failure. In the video, about 3 mins in, you can see how much that moment weighed on him, after decades. I'm saying maybe there's actually a decent bit of truth in the hokey video. But maybe that's they'd be better off showing DMX than an overdramatized skit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwcbG1rIp8Y https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwcbG1rIp8Y

loopz 5y ago
Providing proper information and treating people like adults might succeed more than "just take the damn vaccine, mmmkay?". It does require responsible adults though, but in many countries there were fertile ground for open debate.
- nindalf 5y ago
  No information is proper enough. Like the second comment from top points out, the goalposts are always shifted. Information on vaccine studies? Rushed. Information on vaccine rollouts from countries that have reached 75-80% of the entire population vaccinated? Faked/not applicable. Information comparing cases/deaths in US states with neighbouring states having higher vaccination rates? Invalid. Look, be honest here. There’s more than enough information out there and none of it is being hidden. Hundreds of millions have gotten the shot and the benefits are abundantly clear. For example - “Despite Delta, severe covid-19 is much rarer among vaccinated Britons“ (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/09/18/despite-delta-severe-covid-19-is-much-rarer-among-vaccinated-britons https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/09/18/despite-...). But this doesn’t make a difference. Despite all this information being available, people will still rely on faulty information like “Nicki Minaj’s cousin’s friend became impotent after he took the vaccine”. FWIW, the White House treated Minaj like an adult and reached out to have a conversation with her. But she didn’t change her mind. > treat people like adults If they were intelligent adults they’d be able to evaluate the data for themselves. Instead they watch YouTube videos telling them to “do their own research” followed by checking out Nicki Minaj’s tweets. Go ahead. Try having an open debate with Nicki Minaj or Kyrie Irving or any vaccine skeptic with millions of followers. Let me know how that goes.